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Fiscal Ruin Of The Western World Beckons [Implosion Of The Welfare State]
Telegraph(UK) ^ | July 19th 2009

Posted on 07/19/2009 10:44:14 AM PDT by Steelfish

Fiscal ruin of the Western world beckons

For a glimpse of what awaits Britain, Europe, and America as budget deficits spiral to war-time levels, look at what is happening to the Irish welfare state.

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard 18 Jul 2009

Events have already forced Premier Brian Cowen to carry out the harshest assault yet seen on the public services of a modern Western state. He has passed two emergency budgets to stop the deficit soaring to 15pc of GDP. They have not been enough.

The expert An Bord Snip report said last week that Dublin must cut deeper, or risk a disastrous debt compound trap.

A further 17,000 state jobs must go (equal to 1.25m in the US), though unemployment is already 12pc and heading for 16pc next year.

Education must be cut 8pc. Scores of rural schools must close, and 6,900 teachers must go. "The attacks outlined in this report would represent an education disaster and light a short fuse on a social timebomb", said the Teachers Union of Ireland.

Nobody is spared. Social welfare payments must be cut 5pc, child benefit by 20pc. The Garda (police), already smarting from a 7pc pay cut, may have to buy their own uniforms. Hospital visits could cost £107 a day, etc, etc.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fiscal; irish; ruin; thecomingdepression

1 posted on 07/19/2009 10:44:14 AM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

I like how the method of always cutting vital services to elicit for tax hikes is a universally accepted practice.


2 posted on 07/19/2009 10:47:44 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Steelfish

We’re closing in on SHTF.


3 posted on 07/19/2009 10:47:57 AM PDT by SIDENET ("Join me or die. Can you do any less?" -Mr. Sparkle)
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To: Steelfish
Hey, just raise taxes.

/s

4 posted on 07/19/2009 10:50:01 AM PDT by SIDENET ("Join me or die. Can you do any less?" -Mr. Sparkle)
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To: Steelfish
stop the deficit soaring to 15pc of GDP

He's just following the lead of our Obamassiah, who has decreed a $2 trillion deficit on a $14 trillion GDP "Is A Good Thing"™. After all, as Joe Biden said, we have to spend money so we don't go bankrupt!

You silly FReepers with your antiquated notions of budgets and fiscal responsibility. It's time you learn that all bends to the will of the Obamassiah!

/sarc

5 posted on 07/19/2009 10:50:06 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: SIDENET

“We’re closing in on SHTF.”

That’s a fact.


6 posted on 07/19/2009 10:51:19 AM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: pnh102

17000 government jobs eliminated, what a great start. Lets start with getting rid of 1mm us government jobs.


7 posted on 07/19/2009 11:01:09 AM PDT by appeal2 (Government is not the solution, it is the problem and eventually the enemy.)
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To: ought-six

Unfortunately, the fan is already so full it’s not even spinning anymore. So, TSDTTF ( the sh*t drops to the floor).


8 posted on 07/19/2009 11:02:50 AM PDT by JPG
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To: pnh102

They must have run out of those other people’s money and the other people.


9 posted on 07/19/2009 11:05:54 AM PDT by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: appeal2
17000 government jobs eliminated, what a great start. Lets start with getting rid of 1mm us government jobs

I do not believe there is an example, since 1932, of a government responsible to voters EVER truly cutting the size or the cost of the whole enterprise.

Every year, the costs go up. Every year, the number of employees increases.

It has yet to be shown that this can be accomplished without revolution and limitation of the franchise.

Perhaps it can, but I'm dubious.

10 posted on 07/19/2009 11:06:21 AM PDT by Jim Noble (I hope Sarah will start a 2nd party soon)
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To: JPG

what a vivid visual. at what point does it burn out?

wish we could make people angrier about what’s going to happen to them if the boy king has his way


11 posted on 07/19/2009 11:11:23 AM PDT by musicbymuzak
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To: Steelfish
Events have already forced Premier Brian Cowen to carry out the harshest assault yet seen on the public services of a modern Western state.

Whatever Cowen does will seem like child's play compared to what a future US government will have to do in a decade or so if Zer"O" gets what he wants rammed through Congress. Which will be a slam dunk unless a few Democrat Senators who haven't bought quite as deeply into Zer"O" style collectivism as their fellow Democrats come to their senses and vote their consciences instead of their future popularity in the Socialist-Democrat party.

Sadly, if the polls I read are anywhere close to correct a majority of today's Americans want socialism in favor of the traditional American free enterprise system and personal responsibility. That system along with God's grace and favor made America the great nation is was until recently when the full effects of 1/2 century of socialist/atheist brainwashing in government schools began to kick in. IMHO America is finished as a great and free nation if Zer"O"s collectivist agenda is typical of what the freeloading majority of Americans want from government. America enjoyed a great 2 century + run of freedom and unprecedented prosperity. My greatest regret is that the 2 century + run is ending just as my grandchildren are nearing young adulthood.

It makes me almost physically ill when I think of what could have been if collectivism had not been favorably introduced into our schools and universities, the media, and apostate churches, and had not been relentlessly promoted by Godless liberals at every level of government during the last 6 or 7 decades.

12 posted on 07/19/2009 11:32:04 AM PDT by epow (Be not deceived;God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.)
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To: indylindy
"They must have run out of those other people’s money and the other people. "

Such is the curse of any form of socialism. The small pockets of socialism (heretofore) in the US, i.e. welfare, social security, medicare/medicaid, are in trouble. I think the main reason is human nature and greed.

The politicians see these funds not as money to help those who are unfortunate, ill, or retired...but as buckets of cash to fund pet projects most of which are designed to get them re-elected. I haven't done the study, but I would imagine all of the home turf "special projects" are always completed just in time for the election.

My question is, if these small bubbles of socialism won't work in the richest country in the world surrounded by the safety of a capitalism, then why would anyone think they would work as a government.

I think the answer is, they KNOW they won't work, but you cannot have a free country, under capitalism, and be a "King". If you want to have absolute power over people, then you take their money...it's that simple.

But that's where the old democrat "unintended consequences" come in...once people have lost everything, including their freedom, they have nothing left to lose and they come after you to get their stuff back.

The only way that works for everyone, is capitalism, individualism, and freedom. Other countries in the world are always fighting despots, having coups and changing leaders and forms of government, and oh what a miserable life that must be.

We've been here tooling along for over 200 years with only minor internal strife - which we usually handled and move on...until Chairman Zero came along. He wants your money, he wants your freedom, and he wants your loyalty.

He wants to kill your babies and your parents to exert power and save even more money. He wants you - yes black and white - to eventually be enslaved by him and do his bidding...if you don't, you join the babies and grandpa.

Those of you who think Captain Zero is the "second coming" have only been reading Newsweek, not the Bible.
13 posted on 07/19/2009 11:38:05 AM PDT by FrankR (We are only enslaved to the extent of charity we receive....INCUMBENTS OUT!!!)
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To: Steelfish

The last, greatest ever financial bubble.....Ladies and Gentlemen...is THE US GOVERNMENT!!!!!


14 posted on 07/19/2009 11:39:10 AM PDT by mo
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To: epow

Your post is right on target. If 0 gets a second term, the US will be competing with Papua New Guinea for dominance on the world stage. With mountains of debt, decrepit public schools, uncontrolled immigration, a culture devoid of any real Christianity, indeed hostile to it, and a government run health care system in tatters, and an electoral voting system corrupted by a tribal spoils system, we are in the last stages of baking the recipe for Third World status. And all because of 53% of the voting public. Or shall we say the majority of white WOMEN voters who overwhelmingly voted for 0. God help us.


15 posted on 07/19/2009 11:59:24 AM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish
“Such policies have crippled Japan. A string of make-work stimulus plans e_SEmD famously building bridges to nowhere in Hokkaido e_SEmD has ensured that the day of reckoning will be worse, when it comes.”

But the virtually traffic free, perfectly paved make-work mountain forestry roads to nowhere were great for riding to mountain bike trails! BTW, I'm not sure what a e_SEmD is, but it didn't seem to help Japan's economy either.

16 posted on 07/19/2009 1:13:32 PM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: epow
Whatever Cowen does will seem like child's play compared to what a future US government will have to do in a decade or so

Unfortunately it will take less than a decade IMHO. We are at the tipping point, the next steps are confiscation of assets/wealth for “the children” if things get worse, which they are likely to.

If we avoid capntax and healthcare then we just delay the inevitable.

If Bam does not get his programs, then what will he do? He is betting the next 7.5 years on what happens in the next 3 months.

Bad news.

sschu

17 posted on 07/19/2009 2:48:10 PM PDT by schu
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To: TigerLikesRooster; rabscuttle385

Ping.

Key quote:

“Is this a replay of mid-2008 when the Fed lost its nerve, bristling over criticism that it had cut rates too low (then 2pc)? Remember what happened. Fed hawks in Dallas, St Louis, and Atlanta talked of rate rises. That had consequences. Markets tightened in anticipation, and arguably triggered the collapse of Lehman Brothers, AIG, Fannie and Freddie that Autumn.”


18 posted on 07/22/2009 8:17:43 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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