The Long Road of Eugenics: From Rockefeller to Roe v. Wade (abortion, eugenics)

Othodoxy Today ^ | 11 October 2005 | Rebecca Messall

[Lorianne]

Long article, see source

... for your files

[theFIRMbss]

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'In March 1973, two months after Roe was handed down, the American Eugenics Society announced that it had changed its name to the Society for the Study of Social Biology. The announcement said: “The change of name of the Society does not coincide with any change of its interests or policies.” The group had already changed the name of its journal in 1968, from Eugenics Quarterly to Social Biology. Commenting on the new title, Osborn remarked: “The name was changed because it became evident that changes of a eugenic nature would be made for reasons other than eugenics, and that tying a eugenic label on them would more often hinder than help their adoption. Birth control and abortion are turning out to be great eugenic advances of our time. If they had been advanced for eugenic reasons it would have retarded or stopped their acceptance.”'

[conservative cat]

Self-Ping for later read.

[FlyVet]

If I remember right, from Goldberg's book Liberal Fascism, those big liberal icons Roosevelt and Wilson were big advocates of Eugenics, and now we hear Ruth Buzzy Ginsburg repeat it out loud in her old age....

And the stupid, dummb@$$ed "undesireables" will go to the polls and vote for the one with the (D) next to their name, cuz that's what they been told to do. Vote for their own destruction.

@#$ &*^& it! Wake the eff up people!

[Jaime2099]

"Submission to supernatural power is not adaptive to a world in which man himself controls even his own biological future . . . high regard for the dignity of the individual may prove difficult to maintain when new biologic techniques blur his very identity . . . What counts is awareness of the unmistakable new fact that in general new biology is handing over to us the wheel with which to steer directly the future evolution of man."

Look at that statement from a journal in the article, these people are insane. Evolution is a tool to make man as God, and they don't care who they kill in order to bring it about. They see abortion as a means to be God and control mans future. Further proof these individuals are as sick as I thought they were. You christian evolutionist need to open your eyes, it is not a christian belief. Thank you for the article.

[GraceG]

Read it and it sickens me the amount of involvement the Rockefeller family has had in the darkest period of history. No wonder they are involved in the NWO.

[freedumb2003]

>>You christian evolutionist need to open your eyes, it is not a christian belief.<<

Number one, it is “Christian,” not “christian.” Number two, understanding any branch of science is never inherently bad. Blaming eugenics on the Theory of Evolution is like blaming war on Engineering or torture on Metallurgy.

Any and all science can be and have been misused. Science itself is morally neutral.

[BykrBayb]

Pinged from Terri Dailies

[Jaime2099]

"Any and all science can be and have been misused. Science itself is morally neutral."

Human Evolution is not a science so it doesn't fall under the neutral category. Be blind if you desire, but this is clear evidence of the God hatred that comes with Human Evolution thinking that cannot be denied.

[Alberta's Child]

Anyone with an IQ over 90 had to know that abortion was driven by eugenics and not “feminism” when groups like the National Organization for Women were utterly silent on China’s “anti-choice” forced abortion policy.

[freedumb2003]

>>Human Evolution is not a science so it doesn’t fall under the neutral category. <<

The fact you don’t understand something does not change its classification. TToE is understood and has been and is applied by millions of scientists for 200 years. If you take pharmaceuticals, you are using the fruits of the understanding of TToE.

>>Be blind if you desire, but this is clear evidence of the God hatred that comes with Human Evolution thinking that cannot be denied<<

The blindness is yours. Your tag is 100% wrong and arrogantly presumptuous. You don’t get to decide other people’s faith and you CERTAINLY don’t get to speak for God. As a small example, the Catholic Church’s official position is that Evolution is how God created man. Are you calling Catholics God haters? Are you calling me that?

My relationship with God, through His Son Jesus Christ, is great. He loves me and I love Him and that is what the Bible teaches.

[Jaime2099]

"The fact you don’t understand something does not change its classification. TToE is understood and has been and is applied by millions of scientists for 200 years. If you take pharmaceuticals, you are using the fruits of the understanding of TToE."

Human Evolution has not been applied by scientists for 200 years, it's a made up fairy tale created by bone guessing. As for the theory of Evolution as a whole ridiculous umbrella that it is, who knows. It has many holes and is laughable in many areas. Human Evolution just happens to be its most silly part.

"Your tag is 100% wrong and arrogantly presumptuous. The blindness is yours. Your tag is 100% wrong and arrogantly presumptuous. You don’t get to decide other people’s faith and you CERTAINLY don’t get to speak for God. As a small example, the Catholic Church’s official position is that Evolution is how God created man. Are you calling Catholics God haters? Are you calling me that?"

I'm arrogantly presumptuous am I? And you are not? I believe what I believe with great passion, if that's what you call arrogant, than that's your definition not mine. My tag line is 100% accurate and keeps the literal Genesis, which is God's word, intact. You, however, choose to butcher it and remove things that are clearly stated as fact in the Bible. You do not get to speak for God, I am merely restating what His word says. It is you who are adding and taking away.

Your lame Catholic Church argument is as tired and old as your hatred for the literal Genesis in the Bible. I'm not going to respond to it anymore.

My relationship with God, through His Son Jesus Christ, is great. He loves me and I love Him and that is what the Bible teaches.

The Bible also teaches that God created Adam and Eve in his image, they did not evolve. You cannot pick and choose parts of the Bible that you want to follow. I am glad you have chosen to follow Jesus as your Savior, but Human Evolution is not Biblical. It is simply a worldly view of how the human species was created without the God of the Bible.

[freedumb2003]

>>Human Evolution has not been applied by scientists for 200 years, it’s a made up fairy tale created by bone guessing. As for the theory of Evolution as a whole ridiculous umbrella that it is, who knows. It has many holes and is laughable in many areas. Human Evolution just happens to be its most silly part.<<

Again, just because you don’t understand something that does not invalidate it. As I said, it has direct applicability in many discoveries, most on point being medicine. If you use medications of any kind you are using the results of people who DO understand TToE.

>>I’m arrogantly presumptuous am I? And you are not? I believe what I believe with great passion, if that’s what you call arrogant, than that’s your definition not mine. My tag line is 100% accurate and keeps the literal Genesis, which is God’s word, intact. You, however, choose to butcher it and remove things that are clearly stated as fact in the Bible. You do not get to speak for God, I am merely restating what His word says. It is you who are adding and taking away.<<

You read the Bible in the original language? Wow, who knew? Can you please explain the differences between the Aramaic and Hebrew versions in the translations? Biblical scholars all over the world are waiting.

I neither add nor subtract. I use the mind that God gave me to understand what the Bible is saying about my relationship with God.

You do presume to speak for God and you are found quite wanting.

>>Your lame Catholic Church argument is as tired and old as your hatred for the literal Genesis in the Bible. I’m not going to respond to it anymore.<<

IOW you have no response because your hatred for Catholics has been exposed. And I am sure that is your real agenda.

>>The Bible also teaches that God created Adam and Eve in his image, they did not evolve. You cannot pick and choose parts of the Bible that you want to follow. I am glad you have chosen to follow Jesus as your Savior, but Human Evolution is not Biblical. It is simply a worldly view of how the human species was created without the God of the Bible.<<

The specific mechanical process of Adam and Eve is not discussed in the Bible. God did not provide the Bible as a science text. He provided it to explain His relationship with His children.

Your “passion” is merely ego (”Vanity of vanities...”). My understanding the Bible better than you merely means I have an appreciation of it on a level of which you seem not to be able to achieve — quite the opposite of the hatred you accuse me of and clearly demonstrate in your posts.

[Lorianne]

Well stated.

[itsahoot]

Science itself is morally neutral.

Science by definition is morally neutral, Scientists on the other hand often are not.

[freedumb2003]

>>Science by definition is morally neutral, Scientists on the other hand often are not.<<

I agree, but “often” might be overstating a bit. But with the sellouts to AGW (which is NOT science and I can prove that), there are many immoral scientists out there.

[Jaime2099]

Your reply is tasteless and empty. Human Evolution has done nothing for science and never will. I use the standard interpretation for the Bible that was translated by individuals more qualified than both of us. God said he formed Adam in His image, he did not evolve him from animals. To change the subject into a “I hate Catholics” post is insulting and shows how much of a child you are. If you want to attack my beliefs then I understand, but to make up me hating Catholics is pathetic. If this is the way you have debates about topics, then count me out.

[freedumb2003]

>>Your reply is tasteless and empty. <<

My response: LOL! That is the only possible response.

>>Human Evolution has done nothing for science and never will. <<

You really need to crack open a book or a magazine someday. Your belief or lack thereof doesn’t change facts. Putting your hand over your eyes does not make the sun go away.

>>I use the standard interpretation for the Bible that was translated by individuals more qualified than both of us. God said he formed Adam in His image, he did not evolve him from animals. <<

There are many many interpretations — King James is probably the least accurate. “Standard interpretations” are just that — interpretations. People who understand these things know about the debate on how literally the Bible — and Genesis in particular — can be taken. “Yom” alone gives scholars trouble and is wide open for interpretation by the reader, and thus the translator. In your own words, you use the word “formed.” That word alone, in its vague translation, is open to interpretation. By your own admission, there is no such thing as a literal interpretation of the Bible. But there is a lazy one.

>>To change the subject into a “I hate Catholics” post is insulting and shows how much of a child you are. If you want to attack my beliefs then I understand, but to make up me hating Catholics is pathetic. If this is the way you have debates about topics, then count me out.<<

You dodge the issue. You say that people who understand TToE and find it completely compatible with Christianity are hateful. Well, that would be Catholics according to doctrine (as well as many others).

Now you are the one who must reconcile your words with their implications. Words have meaning. Your words specifically state your position and that position is anti-Catholic (and anti-science but one thing at a time).

You can feel free not to respond, but you will be on public record as being anti-Catholic until you can clearly and cleanly state how your position — as stated in your tag line and thus repeated every time you post — is not.

And I notice you avoided my note that you (and your ilk) continue to have the arrogance to define who is and isn’t a proper “Christian.” That is a heck of an ego you got there.

[Jaime2099]

"My response: LOL! That is the only possible response."

Tasteless and empty does seem to be your only possible response.

"Putting your hand over your eyes does not make the sun go away."

Apparently you place your hands over your eyes when you read Genesis and view the phony evidence Human Evolutionists provide for their so-called theory of Human's evolving from animals.

"By your own admission, there is no such thing as a literal interpretation of the Bible. But there is a lazy one."

So is John 3:16 mistranslated? Or what about Jesus' birth, was that mistranslated? Or His resurrection, was that mistranslated? What about the story of Jacob and Abraham, Isaac, Joseph, Paul, Peter, were their stories mistranslated? The path you go down is one lead by Satan himself and it is one I will not follow you down.

"Now you are the one who must reconcile your words with their implications. Words have meaning. Your words specifically state your position and that position is anti-Catholic (and anti-science but one thing at a time)."

Here you are again back to your old tricks. You're obsession with Catholic hatred makes me think that you may have some hatred in your heart for them. I have never said anything of the sort about hating Catholics, you are the one who is obsessed with hatred towards them. I love science, and just because you say that I hate it proves and means nothing.

"And I notice you avoided my note that you (and your ilk) continue to have the arrogance to define who is and isn’t a proper “Christian.” That is a heck of an ego you got there."

You ought to know arrogant, you think you can re translate the Bible and change the creation story in Genesis. That is the definition of arrogance. If you want to manipulate the Bible and make it say whatever you want to, then you have the right to do it. However, you will do so with my descent and opposition as I stand by God's Word and what He said in Genesis as I will now and for all eternity.

[freedumb2003]

you are clearly a liberal b/c avoiding the issue is a standard tactic. You didn’t even answer my simple “yom” question. knowing stuff isn’t arrogance — it is called “knowledge.”

your tag is an insult to all Catholics as well as Christians who understand science (and linguistics).

your inability to understand,much less address my arguments speaks for itself.