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To: GodGunsGuts

I think that every Christian sect gives a great handle to atheism by their general dogma, that, without revelation, there would not be sufficient proof of the being of a God. Now one-sixth of mankind only are supposed to be Christians; the other five-sixths, then, who do not believe in the Jewish and Christian revelation, are without knowledge of the existence of God! That gives [a basis for the hypothesis]…that it is more simple to believe at once in the eternal pre-existence of the world, as it is now going on, and may forever go on, by the principle of reproduction which we see and witness, than to believe in the eternal pre-existence of an ulterior cause, or Creator of the world, a being whom we see not and know not, of whose form, substance, and mode, or place of existence, or of action, no sense informs us, no power of the mind enables us to delineate or comprehend.

On the contrary, I hold, (without appeal to revelation) that when we take a view of the universe, in its parts, general or particular, it is impossible for the human mind not to perceive and feel a conviction of design, consummate skill, and indefinite power in every atom of its composition. The movements of the heavenly bodies, so exactly held in their course by the balance of centrifugal and cent. metal forces; the structure of our earth itself, with its distribution of lands, waters, and atmosphere; animals and vegetable bodies, examined in all their minutes” particles; insects, mere atoms of life, yet as perfectly organized as man or mammoth; the mineral substances, their generation and uses; it is impossible, I say, for the human mind not to believe, that there is in all of this, design, cause, and effect, up to an ultimate cause, a Fabricator of all things from matter and motion, their Preserver and Regulator while permitted to exist in their present forms, and their regeneration into new and other forms.


40 posted on 07/04/2009 8:52:45 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater
Your second paragraph was from Jefferson. Was the first also from Jefferson?

“I think that every Christian sect gives a great handle to atheism by their general dogma, that, without revelation, there would not be sufficient proof of the being of a God.”

I agree.

Some people today say that it is all about faith. But I agree with Pope John Paul II, who said that man ascends to heaven on wings of faith and reason.

Wikipedia (and others) has a write-up on general and special revelation. General revelation is available to all who examines God's world and sees his hand within it. Special revelation includes the Bible and all miracles that have been observed.

I think some religious people simplify it to a matter of faith so as to avoid controversy. However, that is like giving away half of your best arguments. Jefferson also used a subset of the evidence by redacting his Bible to remove miracles.

47 posted on 07/05/2009 7:47:57 AM PDT by ChessExpert (The unemployment rate was 4.5% when Democrats took control of Congress. What is it today?)
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