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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It wasn’t her fault he lost, but the theory that she could attract enough votes to beat Barack 0bama was tested, and it failed. By nearly 10 million votes and 10 points, no less. If she was the only thing making John McCain competitive, she sure didn’t do a good job. They lost in a certified landslide.

Perhaps if the race had been close, then Palin supporters could have some credibility to their claims. But it wasn’t. It wasn’t even close to being close. Either Palin can pull in the votes, or she can’t. People had to opportunity to choose her over 0bama, and they passed by the millions.


6 posted on 07/02/2009 9:36:46 PM PDT by counterpunch (In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.)
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To: counterpunch

she was not at the top of the ticket!! she was not running against Nobama!! McCain was. Sorry but your theory is utterly rediculous and reasoning inherently flawed.


11 posted on 07/02/2009 9:40:19 PM PDT by zwerni (this isn't gonna be good for business)
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To: counterpunch

Was she running for president against Mr. Obama? Conventional wisdom says that the top of the ticket is what decides the winner, not the running mate. Given that, she still has much more executive experience than Obama does. Senator McCain’s suspending his campaign to fly back to Washington and then doing nothing substantial didn’t exactly inspire confidence, or have you already forgotten that fiasco? Being the standard-bearer is different than the VP nomination. BTW, who do you suggest for the nominee three years hence?


14 posted on 07/02/2009 9:41:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage. ~H.L. Mencken)
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To: counterpunch

10 points is not a “landslide” and in the electoral college it was like the 8 point Clinton victory over Dole in 1996.

Nothing like the Reagan over Mondale 1984 or Johnson over Goldwater 1964 elections. Those were the real landslides.


15 posted on 07/02/2009 9:41:38 PM PDT by Nextrush (Sarah Palin is the new Ronald Reagan, I hope.)
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To: counterpunch
It wasn’t her fault he lost, but the theory that she could attract enough votes to beat Barack 0bama was tested, and it failed. By nearly 10 million votes and 10 points, no less. If she was the only thing making John McCain competitive, she sure didn’t do a good job. They lost in a certified landslide.

Sorry, but your logic is fatally flawed and the exact opposite of what actually happened.

The only reason this election wasn't a Democrat version of Reagan's landslide victory over Mondale (58.8%/ 40.6%) was Sarah. She actually brought in probably an extra 10 million voters that McAmnesty would never had gotten. The excitement the base had for McCain was because of Sarah.

Evidence for this you could not have missed here on FreeRepublic where poster over poster have claimed, including myself, that the only reason they voted for McCain was Sarah.
18 posted on 07/02/2009 9:43:17 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: counterpunch

“It wasn’t her fault he lost, but the theory that she could attract enough votes to beat Barack 0bama was tested, and it failed. By nearly 10 million votes and 10 points, no less. If she was the only thing making John McCain competitive, she sure didn’t do a good job. They lost in a certified landslide.”
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You forgot about the illegal millions the press let Barack wallow in, the corrupt support the press showered zero with, etc. etc. etc....how many points do you think that was worth. Now that we know what a war this is and now that the economy is in the toilet, we need strong candidates who aren’t going to sleep around like some 17 year old...


25 posted on 07/02/2009 9:48:33 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Country and the Tea Party! Take America Back! [I hate the TRAITORS in the enemedia.])
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To: counterpunch

My thoughts exactly and I like her. I know plenty of Dems who would never vote for Palin, period. I also know plenty of Rep who still think she’s the problem with the party. If Palin can’t get the Republicans to vote for her then how is she to get the moderate Dems to vote for her so she has a chance of winning in 2012?

She doesn’t have the tools to do this.


48 posted on 07/02/2009 9:58:24 PM PDT by repubpub
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To: counterpunch

Why did you round 7 points up to 10 points?


56 posted on 07/02/2009 10:02:23 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: counterpunch

Reagan couldn’t even defeat an unpopular and Americas first and only, unelected President in the Republican Primary.

I mean he had a chance to prove he was viable and he couldn’t even convince his own party that he was a better choice then Nixon’s V.P. who barely fought the Democrats when they yanked funding from the South Vietnamese regime which resulted in America’s first lost war and started the snowball that resulted in over 2 million dead in Cambodia and throughout S.E. Asia.

And as we all know, he limped back to California, never to be heard from again.

Wait a minute...


63 posted on 07/02/2009 10:07:31 PM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: counterpunch

Either Palin can pull in the votes, or she can’t.................................. Ya gotta be kidding. Did you attend any of the rallies before Mc Cain named a VP? They were pale and dull. As soon as Palin came into the picture, it was standing room only, and here, it was standing room outside the center for blocks. It went from a town hall with McCain to a stadium with Palin. She wasn’t running against Obama, she was bringing in votes for Mc Cain. If the NYT was backing Mc Cain you knew he was being set up as a Mondale.

I wasn’t going to vote for Mc Cain or Obama but when she showed up here and I saw the crowd’s reaction, I knew she was the best of the 3. (McCain. Obama and Biden) The only thing she has against her is the Democratic machine and the MSM. (includes Hollywood and the alphabet channels))


68 posted on 07/02/2009 10:11:14 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Democrats have nothing to fear but Palin being herself.)
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To: counterpunch
Forgot ACORN already?

Or the poll numbers *before* the announcement of Palin as VP ?

Or the disastrous first bailout bill where McCain ran to Washington to help the GOP capitulate properly?

Cheers!

70 posted on 07/02/2009 10:13:34 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: counterpunch
It wasn’t her fault he lost, but the theory that she could attract enough votes to beat Barack 0bama was tested, and it failed. By nearly 10 million votes and 10 points, no less. If she was the only thing making John McCain competitive, she sure didn’t do a good job. They lost in a certified landslide.

Since when did the term "landslide" start to be used on electoral victories in the 7% range?

And since when did the choice of a VP make that much difference for a candidate? Before 2008, the consensus was that it didn't make that much difference. But now, suddenly, Palin was the reason McCain lost? If you maintain that, you are an absolute idiot. Palin only cost McCain votes he was never going to get anyway--the beltway and northeastern elites.

All I can say is one thing--there were a lot of conservatives I know personally who were all set not to vote for McCain. I was one of them if he had chosen Mitt Romney as his VP. Because of the choice of Sarah Palin, I voted for McCain and was able to convince many others to do likewise.

She did make a difference in 2008 and it was very positive.
115 posted on 07/02/2009 10:47:51 PM PDT by Antoninus (Queer is boring.)
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Either Palin can pull in the votes, or she can’t. People had to opportunity to choose her over 0bama, and they passed by the millions.

Ahem....

Sarah Palin wasn't running for president.

Those "millions" didn't pass Sarah up. They passed up McCain.

In fact, McCain wouldn't have gotten nearly the support he did, if she hadn't been his running mate.

125 posted on 07/02/2009 10:51:35 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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Perhaps if the race had been close, then Palin supporters could have some credibility to their claims. But it wasn’t. It wasn’t even close to being close. Either Palin can pull in the votes, or she can’t. People had to opportunity to choose her over 0bama, and they passed by the millions.

I can't speak for anyone else but because of Sarah Palin, MCCain got two votes from my home...Without Sarah, MCCain would have gotten zero votes from my home...

129 posted on 07/02/2009 10:53:56 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: counterpunch
It wasn’t her fault he lost, but the theory that she could attract enough votes to beat Barack 0bama was tested, and it failed. By nearly 10 million votes and 10 points, no less. If she was the only thing making John McCain competitive, she sure didn’t do a good job. They lost in a certified landslide.

Oh good grief! She was in the race for fewer than 6 weeks before the election! Many folks didn't have a clue who she was! You can't hang John McCain's loss on Sarah, and IIRC, That One didn't win by 10 points, it was more like 6, and with less than 53% of the total vote, I don't consider that a landslide.

135 posted on 07/02/2009 10:58:04 PM PDT by SuziQ
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People had to opportunity to choose her over 0bama, and they passed by the millions.
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And many millions more passed when offered your boy RINO Romney...

OOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Mitty is damaged goods...

Better not run him again...


144 posted on 07/02/2009 11:01:13 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: counterpunch

You seem to have forgotten; she wasn’t running for President; she was running for Vice President.


185 posted on 07/02/2009 11:17:49 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: counterpunch

Actually, Bernard Goldberg stated that the reason why Obama won was Bush’s popularity was low, the Iraq war became unpopular, and the economic problems.


217 posted on 07/02/2009 11:30:03 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (Steam the CLAMs! (Communist Liberal American Media))
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To: counterpunch
...but the theory that she could attract enough votes to beat Barack 0bama was tested, and it failed.

The person who's going to beat Barak ("No taxes on anyone making under $250k") Obama is Barak Obama himself. In fact, I would say he's just about done already.

359 posted on 07/03/2009 12:43:15 AM PDT by The Duke ("Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Democrat Party?")
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To: counterpunch

I can’t stand McCain. He’s a back stabbing certifiably insane man. Many feel the same way I do about him. Without Palin he would not have gotten most of our votes. In short we voted for Palin, not McCain.


405 posted on 07/03/2009 1:15:58 AM PDT by DB
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“People had to opportunity to choose her over 0bama, and they passed by the millions.”

I disagree that the choice people made was between Palin and 0bama. That masses were swept up in a sugar high of “hope and change” without a clue as to what they mean for the country at large. McCain at the head of the ticket was an absolute turn-off for millions of voters. The man had no vision other than not being 0bama. And frankly, any differences between his and 0bama’s positions on immigration and cap-and-trade are indistinguishable.

The “win theme” for Sarah will be a conservative vision for America — broad themes for a positive, hopeful future based on what individual Americans (not GOVERNMENT) can accomplish. Americans and even some liberals want to believe their country is the greatest in the world and Sarah can restore that Reaganesque pride if she chooses to do so.


535 posted on 07/03/2009 3:58:59 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Impeach President Soros!!!)
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