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Assisted suicide: How will Washington live with it?
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | 6/25/09 | Joel Connelly

Posted on 06/28/2009 11:48:50 AM PDT by wagglebee

BELLINGHAM -- The initiative that made Washington the second state to legalize physician-assisted suicide is the stuff of double-edged language and hard ethical choices.

"It is a fact of life. We need to live with it," Arline Hinckley of Compassion & Choices of Washington State, which supports the initiative, told a packed house Wednesday at Bellingham City Club.

"We have had two persons take advantage of the law in this state," she added.

But the Whatcom County Medical Society has asked opposing physicians -- those who will not help patients kill themselves -- to identify themselves. "Many have done that," said society president Dr. David Lynch.

St. Joseph Hospital, run by the Catholic-affiliated PeaceHealth organization, will not permit hospital employees to be present when a person commits suicide, and no on-duty physician can prescribe a lethal drug dose.

"What we will be doing is living our mission, which is relieving pain and suffering," said Nancy Steiger, a former cancer nurse who runs the hospital.

Unlike debate over Initiative 1000 last fall -- in which supporters of assisted suicide outspent opponents by a 3-to-1 margin -- the Bellingham City Club forum was free of what moderator Bob Simmons called "careless and polarizing language."

It actually revealed a bit of common ground.

The advocate, the doctor, and the hospital administrator made variations of the same point: People in the prime of life need to think the unthinkable and talk about the inevitable. Nobody gets out of death.

"Have those discussions now while you are able," said Dr. Lynch. "We have a kind of death-denying society."

He argued as follows: People need to ponder in advance whether they want to be kept on life-support systems, prepare a living will, talk to their physician, and decide on a power of attorney if incapacitated.

As Hinckley noted, a pair of young women struck down unexpectedly -- Karen Ann Quinlan and Terri Schiavo -- lay comatose as loved ones and politicians debated whether to withdraw life support. The Schiavo case ran through federal and state courts.

If common ground has a location, it is hospice care and a hospice residence, where the terminally ill can be at peace and prepare mentally and spiritually for the end of life.

St. Joseph Hospital is in the process of building a hospice house, a 15-bed facility where, in Steiger's words, "people can die in a homelike setting."

The question came up, however: Will patients at the St. Joseph hospice house be allowed to commit suicide on the premises?

No.

The purpose of the hospice will be "relieving pain and suffering, not to end life," Steiger said.

Patients who want to die could still exercise the "right" given them under I-1000. They can obtain lethal medication outside the PeaceHealth system, then go home or to another facility. In Oregon, first state to legalize assisted suicide, 80 percent of 341 deaths under the law have taken place at home.

"It's a question of don't ask, don't tell," observed Lynch.

The "ethical discernment" by doctors, on whether to help patients end their lives, has divided the medical profession.

"As physicians, we have taken an oath to do no harm, not to engage in any activity that would hasten death," said Lynch. Some doctors who are willing to assist in suicides "are just shy in taking out an ad on it."

"I haven't met any physician who wants to be known as 'Dr. Death,'" added Steiger. "Dr. Death" is the nickname of retired Michigan pathologist Dr. Jack Kevorkian, jailed for his activities in assisting death.

But if confidentiality is protected, Hinckley observed, "Many (physicians) are coming along." Compassion & Choices "wants to help people who want to use this law."

The new law includes, in Hinckley's words, "multiple steps" where a patient's ability to make a decision is evaluated.

"Should an evaluation by a mental health professional be a requirement?" asked Simmons.

"Requiring another person in this situation, when the patient is obviously competent, is inappropriate," Hinckley replied.

The carefully constructed language of advocates was on display at Bellingham City Club. Assisted suicide is "death with dignity." Taking your life is "taking advantage of the law." The lethal cocktail of fast-acting barbiturates is "medication."

"It is basically dying in your sleep," said Hinckley.

At St. Joseph Hospital, medication to relieve pain is administered even if it does hasten the end of life.

Still, argued Steiger, that "is very different than prescribing a drug that ends life."

One truth holds: Aside from those suddenly stricken, nobody can escape life-and-death decisions -- at times requiring the patience of Job and wisdom of Solomon -- so calmly discussed on Wednesday.


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The carefully constructed language of advocates was on display at Bellingham City Club. Assisted suicide is "death with dignity." Taking your life is "taking advantage of the law." The lethal cocktail of fast-acting barbiturates is "medication."

"It is basically dying in your sleep," said Hinckley.

NO, it isn't!

1 posted on 06/28/2009 11:48:50 AM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 06/28/2009 11:49:19 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 06/28/2009 11:49:40 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 06/28/2009 11:50:12 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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The camel’s nose.


5 posted on 06/28/2009 11:51:58 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Hey America! How's that "hope and change" thing working out? Are you scared yet?)
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Also covered under Hussein care?


6 posted on 06/28/2009 11:52:41 AM PDT by Libloather (Tea Totaler)
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>>Assisted suicide: How will Washington live with it?<<

Hopefully 8 certain RINOs in the House will take them up on it...


7 posted on 06/28/2009 11:53:59 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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"It is a fact of life. We need to live with it,"

If they try the same flawed reasoning with the moral and legal crime of rape: "It is a fact of life. We need to live with it," it sounds equally absurd and a whole lot less politically correct.

8 posted on 06/28/2009 11:55:11 AM PDT by TurtleUp (So this is how liberty dies - to thunderous applause!)
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>>Also covered under Hussein care?<<

Mandatory for the very ill (except AIDS) and elderly.


9 posted on 06/28/2009 11:56:00 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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Excellent point!

It’s the same thing when they say, “I’m personally opposed to rape, but I won’t impose my values on others.” Substitute the word murder, robbery, rape or arson for abortion and see how it works.


10 posted on 06/28/2009 12:00:37 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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"Listen up. Just Give 'em A Pill Already!"


11 posted on 06/28/2009 12:02:24 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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What did BARACK OBAMA say? He said painkillers were better than surgery. How would he know? Where did BO get his medical degree?

3rd world country here we come.

If painkillers were better than surgery, where's Anna Nicole Smith and where's Michael Jackson? They're just famous examples.

Barack knows fatal doses of painkillers are cheaper than surgery. He does know that much.

12 posted on 06/28/2009 12:04:18 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Obama's Health Care Plan Puts the "you" in euthanasia.)
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13 posted on 06/28/2009 12:04:24 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Neda Agha-Soltan - murdered by illegitimate government)
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What was that case in Oregon — the woman who was refused care for a possibly terminal condition but was offered the suicide pill instead?


14 posted on 06/28/2009 12:05:50 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Neda Agha-Soltan - murdered by illegitimate government)
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Mark My Words:

This will be the #1 option given people when Obamacare refuse to ‘waste expensive care’ on the very old or very sick....


15 posted on 06/28/2009 12:08:18 PM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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Statement: "Unlike debate over Initiative 1000 last fall -- in which supporters of assisted suicide outspent opponents by a 3-to-1 margin -- "

Response: Interesting

Comment: The death lovers really wanted the law passed. I wonder what wickedness lies just under the shiny sophistries?

16 posted on 06/28/2009 12:08:58 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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What was that case in Oregon — the woman who was refused care for a possibly terminal condition but was offered the suicide pill instead?

Here are a few threads:

Death Drugs Cause Uproar in Oregon: Terminally Ill Denied Drugs for Life, But Can Opt for Suicide

Wesley J. Smith: MSM Finally Discovers Compassionlessness of Oregon Assisted Suicide

Cal Thomas: Is Euthanasia Next After Oregon Promotes Assisted Suicide Over Treatment?

Oregon Health Care: Suicide is Painless–and Cheaper

(Oregon) Assisted Suicide Laws May Overlook Depressed Patients


17 posted on 06/28/2009 12:13:26 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Soros funded this work.


18 posted on 06/28/2009 12:36:52 PM PDT by MarMema
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This is a difficult subject. I believed that I didn’t want to prolong my suffering and give all my resources to the hospitals to just keep me alive should I contract a terminal illness. Now under the obamacare, I’m not sure anymore.


19 posted on 06/28/2009 1:17:56 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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From everything I’ve seen, the whole “you will spend all your money dying” thing is basically a hoax. Hospice for people who are actually dying is not expensive at all and nearly always covered by insurance/Medicare.


20 posted on 06/28/2009 1:52:24 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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