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1 posted on 06/26/2009 3:01:13 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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You said — Islam is a threat towards Christian Civilization, but if Islam, in general, develops according to the ideals of the brave Iranians who daily are willing to risk their lives in the struggle for true freedom, it will become less of a threat.

Right there is the problem. Islam has it *hard-coded* into their “DNA” (original materials and the *authoritative* Prophet Mohammed) that it’s a *governmental system* and not merely a religion.

In addition *absolutely no contradiction* of Mohammed is allowed. If you do that, you’re pretty much *dead*. They’ll kill you.

So, it’s *hard-coded* in its DNA and if you try to challenge anything from the prophet, you’re dead meat, right now.

That *mandates* that any adherent to the evil, oppressive and violent governmental idealogy of Islam (namely, it’s a “governmental system” and not a religion) — is forced to maintain exactly what Mohammed maintained and demanded and exactly what the Koran maintains, too.

And keep in mind, that the Koran has the principle of “abrogation” in that the most recent passages of the Koran cancel out the older ones (it’s the “older ones” that many deceiving Muslims quote, but they’ve been *abrogated*...).

SO.., no, there’s no transformation of Islam as that evil, oppressive, violent idealogy of governance. There is only a *transformation* of an individual in *leaving Islam* — there’s your *only hope* in all this.

As long as a person stays an adherent to Islam, they are going to be enslaved by it and there will never be a “way out”. The way out is *leaving* that evil system, and that’s it...


2 posted on 06/26/2009 3:10:21 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: WesternCulture

>Islam is a threat towards Christian Civilization, but if Islam, in general, develops according to the ideals of the brave Iranians who daily are willing to risk their lives in the struggle for true freedom, it will become less of a threat.<

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Are you suggesting that were the Iranian people to overthrow the mullahs, they would abruptly tolerate non-muslim religions in their country? And so would Saudi Arabia and the Sudan and other of these hellholes? Get real.

Intolerance is the heart of Islam’s teaching.


3 posted on 06/26/2009 3:14:15 PM PDT by 353FMG
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Like you, I used to be ready to believe that maybe Muslims could change. In the books I read, there seemed to be plenty of noble and honorable Muslims.

But as you also point out, one difference between Jesus and Mohammed is that Mohammed was a warrior. In fact, more than that, Mohammed was just plain evil.

So, what do you do about a religion whose most basic claim is that “There is no God but Allah, and Mohammed is his Prophet?” Mohammed is the chosen prophet of Allah. The greatest and the last prophet. He is the model upon whom all Muslims are expected to base their lives, just as Christians are expected to follow Jesus.

So, how do you deal with the basic and irresolvable problem that Mohammed was a murderer, a slave taker, a rapist, a pederast, an oath breaker, a liar, and abundantly evil? How do Muslims deal with this? Apparently by imitating Mohammed.

Although few will admit it, slavery in our modern world was basically a Muslim project. It died out in Christendom during the middle ages. But Muslims continued to practice it. They took every chance they could get to enslave white Europeans, and they reintroduced slavery into the modern world when European explorers went out and encountered the slave trade in Africa, which was already a going business.

There is slavery all over the world today—in Muslim countries—although few will admit it. And you still have such brutal customs as stoning and beheading women for the “crime” of being forcibly raped. The rapists are not punished, the women are.

None of this is a distortion or perversion of Islam. This is what Islam teaches. This is what Mohammed did. And there is no way to change that.


6 posted on 06/26/2009 3:23:49 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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For democracy to work and for a democratic system to produce liberty as its result depends upon two things.

First, it requires a certain level of moral development. Self-government, the ability to govern oneself is a moral condition. It is not necessary that everyone in the society be capable of governing their own lives, but there must be a critical mass, a preponderance of people who can and who wish to.

And, secondly, there must be a level of respect for one’s neighbor that is inculcated in the society, there must be a certain level of tolerance and trust in the overall good will of ones fellow citizens.

Absent these two things, the society is not capable of being free, doesn’t want it, and indeed will fear it. And probably with good reason.

These are the two hurdles that any society has to get over for a democratic system to take root. They are not impossible hurdles, but they are absolute prerequisites. And if these two break down in societies that are currently democratic, they will not remain so.


8 posted on 06/26/2009 3:31:01 PM PDT by marron
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The Iranians never cared about their support for Hezbollah, Hamas, the nuclear program, the threats against Israel, or the Christians being persecuted there. This is about them within Iran. “Moderate” Islam is not coming to the rescue and Turkey persecutes Christians as well.

Democracy with Muslims does not change their religious views. The only hope is to end all Muslim immigration.


23 posted on 06/27/2009 7:16:40 AM PDT by Islaminaction
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