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'US committed no war crimes in Iraq' (Euro ICC expert concedes)
Radio Netherlands ^ | 06/18/09 | Andy Clark

Posted on 06/18/2009 7:28:30 PM PDT by AKSurprise

Nothing the US did in Iraq could ever constitute a war crime that could be prosecuted by the International Criminal Court.

This is the view of Richard Goldstone a former chief international war crimes prosecutor and international law expert.

"I don't believe that any allegation that I have read or heard against the United States leaders comes anywhere near the sorts of crimes that the ICC has been set up to investigate. Genocide, crimes against humanity, serious war crimes - it just doesn't measure up."

Richard Goldstone - chief prosecutor at the war crimes tribunals for Yugoslavia and Rwanda from 1994-1996 and currently head of a UN fact-finding team on international law violations - made his remarks during a Radio Netherlands Worldwide debate in The Hague.

Asked by a member of the audience if former President George Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, and Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, could ever see themselves on trial at the International Criminal Court for their role in the US-led invasion of Iraq - Judge Goldstone was unequivocal in his answer.

"Let me say I don't believe, while there are allegations of torture - and errors made in bombing of Kosovo during the Clinton administration - or some civilians being killed in Iraq or Afghanistan, I don't believe that any allegation that I have read or heard against the United States leaders comes anywhere near the sorts of crimes that the ICC has been set up to investigate. Genocide, crimes against humanity, serious war crimes - it just doesn't measure up, that's point one. I don't think it's a fair comparison."

The US has never ratified the treaty setting up the ICC and, as such, does not fall under its jurisdiction.

American citizens can in theory be put on trial at the ICC if they commit a war crime, or other crime serious enough to warrant a case, in a country that has signed up to the ICC, but then only if the US courts themselves don't take action.

Richard Goldstone said this is unlikely to happen as democracies like the US are always willing to demonstrate capable legal systems.

Invasion Under President Bush the US actively worked against the International Criminal Court putting a bill on the statute books, which became known unofficially as The Hague Invasion Act.

The American Service Members Protection Act, its real name, actually threatens American lawyers with legal action should they ever work on a case which could lead to a US citizen being put before the ICC. And it ultimately would allow US troops to come and free anyone on trial in The Hague, hence the unofficial name.

Judge Goldstone was also straight talking when it came to this point, saying the legislation should be scrapped as soon as possible.

"I think it is a blot on the ethics and the morality of the US Congress that there is an act that makes it a criminal offence for government officials to assist the ICC. This was an inheritance from John Bolton's days and I would hope sooner rather than later the now democratic majority in the Senate and the House will repeal those acts. There is talk of it happening and I'm sure it will happen. My attitude on it is very simple, get rid of it."

Richard Goldstone has been back in the Netherlands for the last three months as The Hague Peace Philosopher - an initiative resulting from the new Spinoza Fellowship, a partnership between the City of The Hague, the Netherlands Institute for Advance Study in the Humanities and Social Sciences (NIAS), Radio Netherlands Worldwide and the University of Leiden's Campus The Hague.

The debate evening was the latest in the series of The Hague Debates organised by Radio Netherlands Worldwide with the City of the Hague.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: gwot; icc; iraq; warcrimes

Don't let the Dhimmicrats hear that. According to many, if not most members of that political party they US Military is full of raping and pillaging barbarians....

1 posted on 06/18/2009 7:28:30 PM PDT by AKSurprise
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

Of course, the International Criminal Court can still take a big bite of my ass.


2 posted on 06/18/2009 7:33:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: AKSurprise

Wow...did the Euro ICC lackey also find out that water actually makes you wet?


3 posted on 06/18/2009 7:33:32 PM PDT by max americana
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To: AKSurprise

I presume he is including the heinous and dastardly crimes of torture committed at Abu Ghraib in his comments? (sarcasm)


4 posted on 06/18/2009 7:34:56 PM PDT by miele man
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To: AKSurprise

BBC?

Der Spiegel?

La Monde?

Chris Mathews?

Got News?


5 posted on 06/18/2009 7:35:01 PM PDT by bajabaja
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To: miele man

Probably only saying that because the Obama regime is in charge now. That or Obama threatened to absorb Europe into the United States, in effect nationalizing Europe...ROFL


6 posted on 06/18/2009 7:36:49 PM PDT by AKSurprise ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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To: AKSurprise

Maybe somebody should tell this guy that the U.S.is not a member of this gang and that they have no jurisdiction over us. We can thank Bush for that.


7 posted on 06/18/2009 7:39:23 PM PDT by navyblue (<u>)
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To: AKSurprise

Murtha is deeply uh, quiet.


8 posted on 06/18/2009 7:39:43 PM PDT by Big Giant Head (I should change my tagline to "Big Giant penguin on my Head")
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To: Big Giant Head

Cindy Sheehan? Where’d you go?


9 posted on 06/18/2009 7:41:55 PM PDT by listenhillary (90% of our problems could be resolved with a government 10% of the size it is now.)
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To: SunkenCiv

What tragic news!! I sent a copy of the article to the few liberal friends I have. I’m sure they’ll be broken hearted!

Heehee!! ;^)


10 posted on 06/18/2009 7:45:07 PM PDT by airborne (Congratulations to the Stanley Cup Champions! PITTSBURGH PENGUINS!!!)
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To: AKSurprise

Just part of the “Vast Rightwing Conspiracy”/sarc


11 posted on 06/18/2009 7:54:12 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: AKSurprise

The Obamacom “DemocRATS” aren’t going to like this. To them, just talking mean to one of their Islamofascist terrorist pals is “torture” and a “war crime.”


12 posted on 06/18/2009 7:54:42 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Hey America! How's that "hope and change" thing working out? Are you scared yet?)
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To: AKSurprise

and the RATS, take another one in the..............................HA ha!!!

13 posted on 06/18/2009 7:54:55 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - Obama is basically Jim Jones with a teleprompter)
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To: navyblue

“I think it is a blot on the ethics and the morality of the US Congress that there is an act that makes it a criminal offence for government officials to assist the ICC. This was an inheritance from John Bolton’s days and I would hope sooner rather than later the now democratic majority in the Senate and the House will repeal those acts. There is talk of it happening and I’m sure it will happen. My attitude on it is very simple, get rid of it.”

For now.


14 posted on 06/18/2009 8:11:59 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: AKSurprise

...someone at the ICC is going to be fired tomorrow....


15 posted on 06/18/2009 8:12:04 PM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: AKSurprise

WAAAAAA!!! I want my War Crimes Trial!!!


16 posted on 06/18/2009 8:14:59 PM PDT by woofie
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To: AKSurprise

Well, there, take that lefties.


17 posted on 06/18/2009 8:29:30 PM PDT by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: AKSurprise
State controlled media (SCaM) Headline?

Obama Administration appeals finding
'US committed no war crimes in Iraq'

18 posted on 06/18/2009 8:38:38 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: AKSurprise

You may be prescient. I expect “The One” to annex Mexico before too long.


19 posted on 06/18/2009 8:56:20 PM PDT by miele man
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To: AKSurprise
Nothing the US did in Iraq could ever constitute a war crime that could be prosecuted by the International Criminal Court. This is the view of Richard Goldstone a former chief international war crimes prosecutor and international law expert.

Liberals everywhere will be apologizing now.

:: crickets ::

20 posted on 06/18/2009 9:24:28 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: AKSurprise
"I don't believe that any allegation that I have read or heard against the United States leaders comes anywhere near the sorts of crimes that the ICC has been set up to investigate. Genocide, crimes against humanity, serious war crimes - it just doesn't measure up."

Oh what a relief! NOT.

I'm so sick of posers...

They can take their ICC and shove it where the sun don't shine.

The audacity was thinking the U.S. would ever commit war crimes level offenses. Screw the ingrates who always suspect the U.S. at every turn.

21 posted on 06/19/2009 12:35:03 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama post 09/11. The U.S. is sorry, we are a Muslim nation, and we surrender.)
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To: AKSurprise

That will make DU heads explode.


22 posted on 06/19/2009 1:37:17 AM PDT by kenth
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To: kenth

No, they will simply pronounce Goldstone senile, confused and disoriented.


23 posted on 06/19/2009 1:02:38 PM PDT by reformedliberal (Are we at high crimes or misdemeanors, yet?)
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To: AKSurprise
Latest heard from the DemonRATs

NO! NO! NO! NO!


The Barbarian Troops had to have have!!!

24 posted on 06/19/2009 4:36:54 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: airborne

Makes the whole first half of the year worthwhile, doesn’t it? ;’)


25 posted on 06/19/2009 4:51:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv
Makes the whole first half of the year worthwhile, doesn’t it? ;’)

It certainly helps!

Except for the Obamanation living in the White House, the first half of my year has been OK.

26 posted on 06/20/2009 8:45:39 AM PDT by airborne (Congratulations to the Stanley Cup Champions! PITTSBURGH PENGUINS!!!)
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