Posted on 06/17/2009 1:11:32 PM PDT by SloopJohnB
Autopsies revealed fractures in the legs, hips and arms of Air France disaster victims, a Brazilian official said Wednesday. Experts said those injuries — and the large pieces of wreckage pulled from the Atlantic — strongly suggest the plane broke up in the air.
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Or the idiots who are ordered to go out in a typhoon to secure patrol boats that are coming loose. Of the poor idiots in the boats on the river during the typhoon.
I recall reading somewhere that all of the bodies from Flight 800 had broken necks.
It's a mercy, actually.
Rumors in the Aviation community. Aircraft breakup, and the cause, poorly designed composite parts, control surfaces (Vertical Stabilizer ah la NYC American Crash) and other suspects. Airbus will be in deep dark trouble after this. Their composite materials may not have been properly designed or certified for safe flight in all conditions.
An in flight break up does not generate the same dame to a body simply because the acceleration is not an impulse like hitting the water.
If the aircraft was in one piece when it hit the water, the effect would be like a body going 450 - 500 Knots into a brick wall. Water is treated as a solid at such speeds.
The bodies, in such an impact, would be obliterated into so much chum (As would the airliner itself. An example is the flight that went into the Florida swamp after the oxygen generators went off that it was carrying.), not together with broken bones.
Since they have found the vertical stabilizer with the rudder still attached, that portion of the aircraft most certainly did come off before impact. At what point in the incident time line that took place will be determined once the on board recorders, “Black Box’s”, are found.
But broken, not obliterated bodies, points to, at a minimum, a partial midair break up.
Probabaly not even chum. The term I read in the past describes it as one being 'Vaporized.'
A bomb in the cargo hold could also cause this, but terrorists usually try to make it obvious that an incident is terrorism. An incident that gets passed off as an accident doesn't suit their goals.
Because of that, terrorism seems very unlikely in this case. It should be investigated, and with what little they know it is a possible explanation, but there is little reason to believe it is a likely explanation.
"...No unusual occurrences were noted by either crewmember during the departure and climbout. As the airplane leveled at 24,000 feet, both pilots heard a loud "clap" or "whooshing" sound followed by a wind noise behind them. The first officer's head was jerked backward, and she stated that debris, including pieces of gray insulation, was floating in the cockpit. The captain observed that the cockpit entry door was missing and that there was blue sky where the first-class ceiling had been. The captain immediately took over the controls of the airplane. He described the airplane attitude as rolling slightly left and right and that the flight controls felt "loose."
Because of the decompression, both pilots and the air traffic controller in the observer seat donned their oxygen masks. The captain began an emergency descent. He stated that he extended the speed brakes and descended at an indicated airspeed (IAS) of 280 to 290 knots. Because of ambient noise, the pilots initially used hand signals to communicate. The first officer stated that she observed a rate of descent of 4,100 feet per minute at some point during the emergency descent. The captain also stated that he actuated the passenger oxygen switch. The passenger oxygen manual tee handle was not actuated.
When the decompression occurred, all the passengers were seated and the seat belt sign was illuminated. The No. 1 flight attendant reportedly was standing at seat row 5. According to passenger observations, the flight attendant was immediately swept out of the cabin through a hole in the left side of the fuselage. The No. 2 flight attendant, standing by row 15/16, was thrown to the floor and sustained minor bruises. She was subsequently able to crawl up and down the aisle to render assistance and calm the passengers. The No. 3 flight attendant, standing at row 2, was struck in the head by debris and thrown to the floor. She suffered serious injuries including a concussion and severe head lacerations....
Forgot to include ‘all’ re my post 28 about Aloha Air flight 243 that went thru a similar situation.
If that plane broke up due to poor design, construction, or certification, they will be wishing it was terrorism. The alternates aren’t pretty for Airbus.
You have a very good clear mind,,I liked your post.
I would feel better about gettin on an Air Bus if it were terrorism.
I remember Aloha,,vivid horrid description you quote. I cannot imagine what it was like.
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One of the commentators on TV, shortly after the Airbus went down, said that the terrorists who blew up the Pan Am plane expected it to do so a little later when it was over water, not when it was over Lockerbie, and if that had happened it might have been hard to demonstrate that it was a terrorist act from the evidence that would have been available.
I agree, there’s nothing to exclude the possibility of terrorism. Right now, the evidence we do have suggests a break-up from unknown cause.
I wouldn’t jump to that conclusion, based on bodies being found. Yes water is treated as a solid at speed, but recall that minimal lift speed for a jumbo is somewhere around 200 MPH. If the plane hit the water at a sharp angle, that would indeed be like slamming into a wall, if however it hit the water at a lower angle, it would still break apart, but the impact to the bodies would not be 500 MPH to 0 virtually instantaneously.
The plane may have come apart in the air, but broken bones on a few recovered bodies I don’t think in and of itself is conclusive evidence of mid-air breakup.
Didn’t they rule this one to be caused by undetected stress fractures in the skeleton?
I never ever feel comfortable on an AIRBUS, perhaps its all psychological, but I truly don’t think they are as safe as Bowing.. I have the same concerns whenever I get on an MD anything.
With the Pan Am flight I believe there was a call warning of an attack prior to it happening and several terrorist groups tried to take credit for it.
In the case of this flight, if they wanted to take credit for it and be credible they could say how the flight was brought down, and take credit before the fact that it went down was confirmed to the public. Investigators could then confirm if the evidence from the crash is consistent with their claims.
It it just looks like an accident, it isn't much of a terrorist attack, and the opportunity was there to credibly inform people it was an act of terrorism. Therefore it seems rather unlikely that it was an act of terrorism.
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