Posted on 06/15/2009 9:10:02 AM PDT by Redcloak
CAL-ERT 06/12/09 --- Noon EXPANSION OF THE BAN ON LEAD AMMUNITION MAY BE ATTEMPTED BY FISH & GAME
HISTORY: From the beginning, proponents of the current ban have wanted lead ammunition banned state-wide. The California condor was simply being used as an excuse by the anti-hunters and anti-gunners to carry out this agenda. They have already achieved a partial ban. Their ultimate goal is to take the ban state-wide! If they are successful, they will push to ban the use of lead ammunition for everyone, not just hunters.
Who will tell the public the facts regarding this important matter? WE WILL! ! ! If a Fish and Game Commissioner, during the hearing, would actually suggest and/or attempt to place the issue of a state-wide lead ammunition ban on an upcoming Commission agenda, we would know for sure and be able to prove that the threat is real. That is exactly what California Fish and Game Commission member Michael Sutton suggested on February 5, 2009!
So, where does this leave shooters, hunters, and sportsmen, in the Golden State? After the California Alert System notification on February 5, 2009 received general circulation, sportsmen from across the state contacted the Fish and Game and they have not publicly proposed considering a "state-wide" ban since that February 5, 2009 meeting. THAT IS NOT THE END TO THIS STORY: SCIENCE OR ANTI-GUN SCARE TACTICS: ACTION REQUESTED:
IMPORTANT NOTE: Although the NRA and CRPA vigorously opposed AB821 back in 2007, it is now law. However, it is unfortunate that the CA. Fish & Game Commission expanded the restrictions much farther than those required by AB821. Therefore, the NRA and CRPA urge you to contact the CA. Fish & Game Commission and voice your opposition to even more enhanced restrictions that exceed the scope and intent of AB821. If we do not stop them from expanding the ban now, how are we going to stop them from banning Lead Ammunition state-wide? Now is the time to act! Click on this MAP LINK for driving directions and a detailed map to the meeting location. Mailing Address: WHAT ELSE YOU CAN DO:
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This isn't just a California issue. FReepers in the states surrounding CA also need to contact our Fish and Game Commission. The Kondor Kiddies have been trying to infest your states with these birds. If they can get lead ammo banned statewide here because of the extinct-but-not-quite-dead-yet birds, they can completely ban lead ammo in your states too.
Eat lead, socialist dirtbags.
When the cops start using water pistols, so will I.
Get rid of lead and switch to depleted uranium.
I’ll give up lead if they let me replace it with depleted uranium.
The greenies are already causing headaches for the cops. The so-called green ammo they advocate can poison a shooting range by alloying with the lead that’s already in the ground. This makes it very expensive to process the soil to recover and reuse the lead. The green ammo turns what could have been a renewable material into toxic waste.
you beat me by a minute :-(
IIRC, it has already been done here in Jersey, to save wildfowl from ingesting spent pellets and getting lead poisoning. I’m not sure, as I have not hunted in a number of years.
When they do it will cost 10X as lead for each shell.
bttt
Actually, lead-free shot was mandated by the Feds. However, the greenies have yet to show that the ban on lead for waterfowling has had any effect on blood lead levels in waterfowl or hunters. Similarly, there has been no clearly demonstrated link between blood lead in condors and ammo. The “studies” presented claiming such a link have so many holes in them that they look like someone was patterning a shotgun with ‘em!
I am against banning lead ammo, as it is the cheapest, and hollowpoint lead works great against humans; but am not at all against hunters using copper ammo.
Copper ammo works better (less jams) anyway.
We don't have enough predators and scavengers around anyway, why poison them with lead.
Most hunters, like myself, are conservationists. We want to protect and maintain nature because that is what we enjoy. Using copper ammo in hunting is just good conservationist practice for maintaining our wildlife.
In order for the lead to enter the animal's blood stream, it must dissolve first. Metallic lead doesn't dissolve in the blood-temperature hydrochloric acid of a condor's stomach. The HCl must be at 100°C to dissolve lead.
But funny that you should mention the gizzard. For those who don't know, the gizzard is where a bird uses sand, gravel, or other grit to grind up its food. The gizzard is a muscular organ that contracts around its contents and crushes them against the grit inside. When the gizzard contracts against soft, malleable lead, the lead is deformed. It then goes on to pass through the bird or is cast up with other indigestible debris. Copper, on the other hand, is much harder than lead and doesn't give. If the copper has a sharp edge, as is often the case in deformed bullets, then the copper will cut the condor's gizzard to shreds.
Also, copper is soluble in blood-temperature HCl. Copper's toxicity in birds isn't well understood, but it is toxic in high enough concentrations in other species. Until the toxicity in condors is understood, one cannot automatically say that it's OK for a condor to munch on copper.
Make no mistake: This isn't about protecting condors. It's about banning lead, and thus ammo, and thus your right to keep and bear arms.
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