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Gun-Control Advocate: Napolitano Report on ‘Rightwing Extremists’ Makes Case for Gun Ban
CNSNews.com ^ | May 14, 2009 | Edwin Mora

Posted on 05/14/2009 3:34:48 AM PDT by Man50D

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To: driftdiver

I found a reference to testimony before Congress by an ATF agent that admitted that ten out of 240,000 legally owned machine guns have ever been used in any type of crime (including nonviolent offenses such as failing to notify ATF of address changes, etc.). Of course the one incident I can recall, the North Hollywood bank shootout, didn’t fall under the category of “legally owned”, but the gun grabbers never bother with facts.


21 posted on 05/14/2009 4:57:50 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 163)
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To: Man50D
Did ya see this thread?
Report citing veteran extremism is pulled
22 posted on 05/14/2009 5:01:41 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Satisfaction was my sin)
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To: 12Gauge687

Well, as much fun as the A1 version is, it’s really impractical to fire more than a few rounds in a burst. My entire years ammo budget could go down range very quickly. Sadly, I haven’t been able to have any fun for a while since the moron son of the owner of our private range caused it to be shut down. I’m still looking to buy some land cheap.


23 posted on 05/14/2009 5:04:48 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 163)
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To: LibLieSlayer

“This will cause her to finally leave office.This will cause her to finally leave office.”

Romanian-style, we can hope.


24 posted on 05/14/2009 5:09:42 AM PDT by Noumenon (As long as I have a rifle, I STILL have a vote...)
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To: 12Gauge687
Sadly, the M16A2 is not really full auto anymore. On auto it fires three-round auto bursts as I recall. A Navy guy informed me the M14 he fired during practice on board his ship was semi-auto. It may be an accuracy thing.

It is not for sake of accuracy that the three round burst and semi-auto only has been put into place. It was done to reduce ammo wasted in the 'pray and spray' mode of close quarter combat.

25 posted on 05/14/2009 5:11:54 AM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013)
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To: Man50D; All

Trying to keep guns out of the hands of law abinding Americans to reduce crime is like stopping sober people from buying cars to reduce drunk driving.


26 posted on 05/14/2009 5:12:00 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective.)
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To: 12Gauge687

The M-14 was never even marginally useful in the full auto position. It went through a mag quickly the hit probability after the second round was extremely low.

The three-round burst of the M-16A2 is remarkably accurate.

I once OIC’s a qualification range and an Army Specialist accidentally rotated his switch to burst. He put all three zero-ing rounds in the center of the target at 25 meters. that’s less than an inch grouping.

Not everybody can do that, but the M-16 is much more controllable.


27 posted on 05/14/2009 5:20:28 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Man50D
The Constitution gave us a right to have arms to protect this country if it was invaded form without or within. The left want to take the country over from within with overseas help. They are either blind or traitors.
28 posted on 05/14/2009 5:21:58 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: Adder
I believe there are 250,000 transferable fully automatic weapons in private collections. This does not include Dealers Samples which can only be traded between Class 3 dealers.

The 1986 Law expressly forbid the manufacture or importation of new select fire weapons or parts for sale to the public. All that were here, are all that are left for sale, which is why the prices are so outrageous.

Pre-86 weapons can be converted and brought into the system, and those weapons in semi-auto form fetch prices from $3-10k, however, the resulting conversion requires registration and tax-stamp. 6-8 months of waiting AND the weapon is in a Class 3 dealers possession until that goes through.

29 posted on 05/14/2009 5:22:17 AM PDT by Pistolshot (The Soap-box, The Ballot-box, The Jury-box, And The Cartridge-Box ...we are past 2 of them.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

She says the stockpiling is “a concern for law enforcement”.

No, probably not... more accurately, it is a “concern for TYRANNY enforcement.”


30 posted on 05/14/2009 5:26:28 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: mountainlion

OK, everyone, don’t pile on too much!

The Constitution “gives” NO rights. The rights are given by the Creator, and recognized as inalienable and uninfringeable by the Constitution.


31 posted on 05/14/2009 5:27:39 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: MrB
The government takes away rights. The Founding Fathers saw the possibility of the government getting out of hand and protect ourselves with guns. If this is not a right then what is it?
32 posted on 05/14/2009 5:37:16 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: mountainlion

You missed the distinction.

The Constitution doesn’t GIVE the rights, it recognizes them and restricts the government from infringing on them.

That’s what most FReepers would jump on your post about.


33 posted on 05/14/2009 5:40:03 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

THIS citizen doesn’t care what the goobermint fools want.

I WILL keep my firearms as long as I am breathing. Period.

If the goobermint fools want them, they’d better send a Mech Infantry or Air Assault company for them, as I have the average SWAT team seriously outgunned and out-armored.


34 posted on 05/14/2009 5:42:21 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: mountainlion

“The Founding Fathers saw the possibility of the government getting out of hand and protect ourselves with guns. If this is not a right then what is it?”

The rights existed before the govt and the Constitution is a limitation on govt. It does not ‘give’ us those rights as they existed before the govt and came from God.


35 posted on 05/14/2009 5:50:27 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
It's pretty easy to see the FedGov/leftmedia collusion on manufacturing a false premise for the upcoming "assault-weapons" ban that these little Hitlers have prepared.

This has all been done before.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

36 posted on 05/14/2009 5:50:56 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: driftdiver

So, Then England and Australia are godless countries because they took away guns?


37 posted on 05/14/2009 5:55:31 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: Man50D

bttt


38 posted on 05/14/2009 6:03:03 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (We either Free America ourselves, or it is midnight for humanity for a thousand years.)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger
don’t have the actual numbers right at hand, but there are tens if not hundreds of thousands of fully automatic machine guns in private collectors hands

1.2 million Title 2 firearms on the registry...and that doesnt count what the feds, cops, and illegal ones.

39 posted on 05/14/2009 6:03:48 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Execute child molesters RFN!)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger
The first is that none of those weapons has been used in a crime,

FALSE.

Since 1934, there are four (4) known instances where legally owned title 2 firearms were used in the commission of a crime.

By cop, in 1984 in Metro Dade PD NARC who used a MAC 11 .380 to kill a police informant.
By a cop, in 1988 in St. Louis MO who used a suppressed .22 to kill squirrels, accidentally killed a kid playing in a back yard.
By a cop, in 1998 using an MP5 to kill his wife, his wifes lover, an internal affairs cop, and his supervisor in MI.
By a cop, in 2002, who used a short barrel shotgun to kill his wife and neighbor.

See a trend?

40 posted on 05/14/2009 6:08:52 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Execute child molesters RFN!)
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