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Semiautomatic rifles a ‘hazard'; seizures are up
Fort Wayne News-Sentinel ^ | May. 11, 2009 | Evan Goodenow

Posted on 05/11/2009 7:44:26 AM PDT by holymoly

They can kill from more than four football fields away, shred police officers' vests, fire up to 75 bullets at a time - and they're increasingly showing up in criminals' hands.

Last year, Fort Wayne Police seized 31 semiautomatic rifles, compared with two in 2003, the last year of the federal assault weapons ban that limited the sale of the rifles. The seizure increase and more reports of criminals using the rifles concerns Fort Wayne Police Chief Rusty York.

“The fact that we have these relatively cheap, assault weapon-type firearms out there, it's not only a hazard to the public, but in particular to police officers,” said York, who supports renewing the ban. “It's proof that they continue to get into the hands of irresponsible people.”

Just how many are in the hands of irresponsible people in Fort Wayne is difficult to measure. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives did not provide gun-seizure information from its Fort Wayne office despite Freedom of Information requests made by The News-Sentinel in June 2008 and last month.

But York said it's no longer rare for officers to hear shots from semiautomatic rifles ring out in the city, and police around the nation say more are being used in shootings. Some 57 people died in eight mass shootings in the U.S. in March and early last month, according to the Associated Press, and at least three of the incidents involved semiautomatic rifles.

♦On March 11, Michael McClendon killed 10 people in and around Samson, Ala., before fatally shooting himself.

♦On March 21, Lovelle Mixon killed four Oakland police officers before being killed by police.

♦On April 4, Richard Popalawski killed three Pittsburgh police officers before being killed by police.

“Assault Weapons: Mass Produced Mayhem,” a report released in October by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, lists more than 200 shootings involving assault weapons since the lifting of the ban. They include a 2006 robbery in which a family of seven was killed in Indianapolis.

Center President Paul Helmke said the violence illustrates the weakness of gun laws. He noted that individual and gun-show purchases of semiautomatic rifles don't require criminal background checks. And because law-abiding citizens can buy an unlimited number of the rifles at gun stores, Helmke said straw purchases - guns bought for criminals by people with clean records - have increased.

“Anyone can go in and buy an unlimited number, so we're starting to see a lot more used,” said Helmke, mayor of Fort Wayne from 1988 to 2000. “They fire so many rounds so quickly. You can get off close to 50 rounds in 30 seconds … Do we really want to make it easier and easier to kill people?”

While Helmke and York would like to see the ban reinstituted, it appears unlikely anytime soon. Despite voicing support for the ban during his February confirmation testimony, Attorney General Eric Holder backed off that stance in an April 8 interview with CBS news anchor Katie Couric. Holder said he would only push for things that are “politically saleable.”

“The president and I both believe that the Second Amendment is something that has to be respected,” Holder said. “We have to use common-sense approaches to keeping the American people safe.”

Holder said he would work with the National Rifle Association, which opposes the ban.

“There's a realization that the most effective way of reducing violent crime in this country is to enforce existing laws,” said NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam.

Despite some of the perpetrators of mass killings - like McClendon and Popalawski - reportedly purchasing their semiautomatic rifles legally before their rampages, Arulanandam said most crimes are committed with illegally obtained rifles.

While Arulanandam said there is no political will to reinstate the ban, fear of crime and of a reinstitution has semiautomatic rifles flying off the shelves locally and nationally. Ammunition for all types of guns has become increasingly scarce.

Helmke noted more sales increase the chances of legally bought semiautomatic rifles being stolen by criminals or obtained in straw purchases or from unscrupulous gun dealers.

“A dedicated bad guy is probably always going to be able to get a gun, but why do we have to make it easier for them?” he asked.

Helmke hopes the recent mass murders will spur lawmakers to reinstate the ban, but count out U.S. Rep. Mark Souder, R-3rd District. Souder refused to be interviewed for this story, but in an e-mail from spokeswoman Mindi Wood, he condemned the ban.

“It has been proven ineffective,” Souder said. “It takes away rights with no proven benefit.”

York is baffled by that attitude, saying semiautomatic rifles aren't needed for hunting or self-defense.

“It's a weapon of war, not of sport,” York said. “I'm sure it will be a political battle, but the officers are out in the street fighting that battle every day.”


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Comment #1 Removed by Moderator

To: holymoly

What a load of runny fecal matter this article is....


2 posted on 05/11/2009 7:48:27 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: holymoly
Hey, if it's good enough for Goodenow, it's good enough for me.
3 posted on 05/11/2009 7:48:58 AM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: holymoly
I was unaware that there is a type of semi-auto that can fire belted ammunition. Of course, this has to be a fact because it wound up in print by our extremely honest press.
4 posted on 05/11/2009 7:49:10 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Give me LIBERTY or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: holymoly

I don’t know if that’s a lie... The reporter has probably never used anything more mechanically complicated than a dishwasher, and doesn’t know how that works either. But breathless and stupid... Now that’s how to sell ink!!!


5 posted on 05/11/2009 7:50:43 AM PDT by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: holymoly
"A dedicated bad guy is probably always going to be able to get a gun, but why do we have to make it easier for them?” he asked.

This is the typical liberal approach to the problem. Why should we make it easier for the criminal. How about the law abiding citizen with constitutional rights. Every think about that person? These people annoy me considerably.

6 posted on 05/11/2009 7:53:31 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: holymoly

What the hell. 75 a min? This guy is on some serious lib acid. Last time I looked my semi auto shot one at a time.. They are so full of s___ their eyes are turning brown.


7 posted on 05/11/2009 7:54:43 AM PDT by crazydad
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To: holymoly

Hmmm, I wonder if an M1 Carbine counts?


8 posted on 05/11/2009 7:54:57 AM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: holymoly
fire up to 75 bullets at a time

I'd like to see a photo of a weapon that fires that many rounds simultaneously.
It must have 75 barrels and weigh about 500 pounds.

Mystery Assault Rifle


9 posted on 05/11/2009 7:55:02 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were a clueless idiot, and suppose you were Barack Obama; but I repeat myself)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Just last night I saw a picture of a Saiga 12 guage with a belt of ammo...

but, yes, you are right. The left INTENTIONALLY conflates “self loading” with “machine gun”.


10 posted on 05/11/2009 7:55:28 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: Fido969
It appears that this Goodenow fellow has a colored history.
11 posted on 05/11/2009 7:55:34 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: mosaicwolf

Typical liberal approach to a problem:
“someone craps their pants and we all have to wear diapers”


12 posted on 05/11/2009 7:56:02 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: holymoly
But York said it's no longer rare for officers to hear shots from semiautomatic rifles ring out in the city

That was one of my favorites. You know, that special sound a semi-auto makes. The bullets know, you know, what kind of gun they've been fired from and what kind of noise to make.

13 posted on 05/11/2009 7:56:28 AM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: holymoly

Nobody seizes my constitutionally guaranteed protections.

I will only release the expendable components to those who would try to take away my rights.....well aimed and with finality.


14 posted on 05/11/2009 7:56:52 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
I was unaware that there is a type of semi-auto that can fire belted ammunition.

I give you the semi-auto Browning 1919 belt fed:

L

15 posted on 05/11/2009 7:57:16 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: holymoly

Wasn’t Paul Helmke the former mayor of Ft. Wayne?
Curious.


16 posted on 05/11/2009 7:57:18 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: crazydad

Opps my bad not 75 a min but 75 at a time... Well that makes this writer look more like an idiot then before..


17 posted on 05/11/2009 7:57:20 AM PDT by crazydad
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To: holymoly
The Police have similar weapons...▲
18 posted on 05/11/2009 7:57:21 AM PDT by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Never mind.
Answered in article.


19 posted on 05/11/2009 7:57:38 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: holymoly
fire up to 75 bullets at a time

Ouch. My shoulder hurts. Even machine guns fire them one at a time, just very, very quickly.

20 posted on 05/11/2009 7:57:41 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (No free man bows to a foreign king.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

I think I saw a pic of one not too long ago. Kinda surprised me too.


21 posted on 05/11/2009 7:57:45 AM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: holymoly
They can kill from more than four football fields away, shred police officers' vests, fire up to 75 bullets at a time

I thought they were referring to a catapult filled with a bag of bullets.

22 posted on 05/11/2009 7:58:00 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: holymoly

“fire up to 75 bullets at a time”................. Probably referring to a fully loaded canister magazine. So what, ban the weapon and the evil ones will still get them. We can’t stop drugs or illegals but we’re going to stop weapons from coming in and getting into the hands of malfeasors?? LOL!!!


23 posted on 05/11/2009 7:59:00 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (tagline under renovation, will return soon.)
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To: holymoly

This makes sense. It from Fort Wayne, the armpit of Indiana.


24 posted on 05/11/2009 7:59:46 AM PDT by caver (Obama's first goals: allow more killing of innocents and allow the killers of innocents to go free.)
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To: holymoly
“It's a weapon of war, not of sport,” York said.

The word "sport" never appears in The Constitution (I have my pocket copy right here.

Weapons of war are EXACTLY what our founding fathers intended.
Nothing less.
25 posted on 05/11/2009 7:59:50 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: holymoly
..."Do we really want to make it easier and easier to kill people?

Well, your golden-calf false idol MaoBama intends to easily kill a lot of American citizens without firing a shot from that icky-poo semi-auto. Government-rationed health care, express-check out amnesty, terrorists given free relocation to live in the U.S., gun registration & confiscation, ACORN brownshirts, ad nauseaum.

26 posted on 05/11/2009 7:59:58 AM PDT by kromike
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To: MSF BU
"Hmmm, I wonder if an M1 Carbine counts?"

If done up properly, I'm sure they'll qualify...

(and yes, they were included in the previous ban.)

27 posted on 05/11/2009 8:00:07 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: holymoly
fire up to 75 bullets at a time

Once again gun-illiteracy shows its silly face. It's the same as calling an AK-47 a "high-powered" assault rifle, when the round it fires is actually comparable to the trusty old 30-30.

Also notice they continually reference "semi-automatic," when I guess they mean "automatic." This is from the school of "automatic revolvers," so often reported as crime weapons.

28 posted on 05/11/2009 8:00:22 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Election of 2008: Given the choice between stupid and evil, the stupid chose evil.)
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To: holymoly
Oh, lets see where to begin with the inaccuracies

On April 4, Richard Popalawski killed three Pittsburgh police officers before being killed by police."

Richard Popalawski is alive and in jail.

"He noted that individual and gun-show purchases of semiautomatic rifles don't require criminal background checks."

Not true, if two individuals buy/sell at a gunshow it is still an individual purchase. The vendors selling at a gunshow still perform an individual background check on buyers.

"York is baffled by that attitude, saying semiautomatic rifles aren't needed for hunting or self-defense."

The bolt action rifle is not needed for hunting or self defense either. So what? As a matter of fact, there are many states that allow hunting with semi auto rifles. Chief York, you need to look up the reason why the second amendment exists. It's not for hunting.

Another poorly researched article from the mainstream media.
29 posted on 05/11/2009 8:00:22 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: MSF BU
Hmmm, I wonder if an M1 Carbine counts?

I have 2 of these and they are on O’Bummers list.

30 posted on 05/11/2009 8:00:24 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: caver

To be fair, Gary is directly opposite to the West.
Much worse.


31 posted on 05/11/2009 8:00:31 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: going hot

“..fire up to 75 bullets at a time..”

I see I’ve been beat, but I’ll join the chorus anyway! :)


33 posted on 05/11/2009 8:02:05 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
I get my belt ammo at Costco. Grenades at Wal Mart in the sporting goods section.
34 posted on 05/11/2009 8:03:55 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Lurker
The original trusty Browning is truly an automatic weapon ... i.e., a machine gun.

Nowadays, there is a semi-automatic version.

35 posted on 05/11/2009 8:04:09 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Election of 2008: Given the choice between stupid and evil, the stupid chose evil.)
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To: holymoly

‘“It’s a weapon of war, not of sport,” York said. “I’m sure it will be a political battle, but the officers are out in the street fighting that battle every day.”’

First of all, they’re used for sport, especially varmint hunting. Second, they’re useful for defense, especially from power hungry politicians and corrupt police. Third, they provide useful training for future soldiers.

They’re also used in a minuscule number of crimes.

Free advice, keep the change.

GOP 2010!


36 posted on 05/11/2009 8:04:17 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: Still Thinking
"That was one of my favorites. You know, that special sound a semi-auto makes"

Mine too. I can always tell by the softer sounds of all that gas energy going to working the auto-loader parts.

37 posted on 05/11/2009 8:07:49 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: holymoly
If it's ignorance, it's willful ignorance. He chose not to check his facts.

He ran his article past the newspaper's fact checker who found a couple. They were removed before publication.

38 posted on 05/11/2009 8:07:53 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (No free man bows to a foreign king.)
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To: Pessimist

Anybody know where can I get a 75 round magazine? I would like to buy a couple for home defense.


39 posted on 05/11/2009 8:09:39 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give to my country)
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To: Still Thinking
You know, that special sound a semi-auto makes.

Ah yes, that special sound of freedom.

40 posted on 05/11/2009 8:10:40 AM PDT by FourPeas (somewhere in Kenya, a village idiot is missing his sidekick)
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To: broken_arrow1

http://www.floridagunworks.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FG&Product_Code=565&Category_Code=NEW


41 posted on 05/11/2009 8:11:59 AM PDT by FourPeas (somewhere in Kenya, a village idiot is missing his sidekick)
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To: KarlInOhio
If it's ignorance, it's willful ignorance. He chose not to check his facts.

He ran his article past the newspaper's fact checker who found a couple. They were removed before publication.

Lol. That explains it.

I kept looking for facts, but couldn't find any. Now I know why.  ;)

42 posted on 05/11/2009 8:13:16 AM PDT by holymoly (Yawn.)
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To: holymoly
As emi auto matic can only fire one bullet at at time. even a fully automatic gun fires one bullet at a time.

Any hunting rifle can kill game from several football fields away. Not many hunters can make the shot though.

As for "shredding" bullet proof vests, what crap.

This "author" of this hit piece is an idiot.

This just goes to show that gun grabbers will say anything to convince equally stupid politicians to grab guns, which proves that NOTHING these morons say is true.

43 posted on 05/11/2009 8:14:24 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

LOL!

I especially love to brouse the RPG section. So much to dream about!


44 posted on 05/11/2009 8:14:39 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Give me LIBERTY or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

It’d be like having a free credit card in B & H Photo’s store. I could do some real damage.


45 posted on 05/11/2009 8:17:39 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Lurker
They did say semi-auto assault rifle didn't they?

The Browning 1919 is a trainer for WW2 gunners is it not? And it hardly is available for the public. If so, think of carrying this to a shopping maul to go postal. You wouldn't make it out of the parking lot.

46 posted on 05/11/2009 8:18:01 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Give me LIBERTY or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: mosaicwolf
A dedicated bad guy is probably always going to be able to get a gun, but why do we have to make it easier for them?” he asked.

I can make a similar argument about abortion.

47 posted on 05/11/2009 8:18:28 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: holymoly

York is baffled by that attitude, saying semiautomatic rifles aren’t needed for hunting or self-defense.

“It’s a weapon of war, not of sport,” York said. “I’m sure it will be a political battle, but the officers are out in the street fighting that battle every day.”

Where does it say in the 2nd Ammendment about the right to bear arms only for hunting? Oh yeah, now I see it: “shall not be infringed,...except for hunting”

Sounds like he hates getting interupted all the time and distracted from his donuts and coffee.


48 posted on 05/11/2009 8:20:47 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give to my country)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

You should see Victoria Secret's selection.

49 posted on 05/11/2009 8:22:16 AM PDT by MaxMax (America's population is 304-Million. Obama must punish America for the other 4.7 Billion)
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To: holymoly
They can kill from more than four football fields away, shred police officers' vests, fire up to 75 bullets at a time

And if you point them up, they can SHOOT OUT THE SUN!!!!

50 posted on 05/11/2009 8:23:27 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union, then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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