Planetary Quandaries Solved: Saturn Is Young

ICR ^ | May 7, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

[DTogo]

The youthful features of Saturn and its rings are not puzzling at all, considering they were hung in the heavens about 6,000 years ago by the direct action of a Creator.

Oh, well, if Brian Thomas at the Institute for Creation Research says so, then it must be so...

[Caramelgal]

Wow. Too bad the article mentioned nothing about the age of Saturn, but only its rings. And was I the only on to catch that Brian Thomas M.S.* cites an article named Saturn's rings may not be as young as they look?

That’s because Brian Thomas M.S.* (Science Writer) surfs the worldwideinterweb for science articles, reads them but doesn’t understand them or misinterprets them and then selectively quote mines whatever he thinks might support his 6,000 year old Earth belief.

His writing is more akin to a middle school kid trying to write a term paper for the first time – Wow! I have foot notes! Teacher will be so impressed.

Answers in Genesis and Saturn's Rings

[dmz]

Of course, creation scientists predict that Saturn is young,
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LOL. It would be extremely remarkable if an ICR writer posited an old Saturn. Given that everything they believe centers on a 6000 year old heaven/earth combo, creation scientists believe everything is young by definition.

[GodGunsGuts]

Actually, as a number of creation cosmologists have demonstrated, gravitational time dilation makes it possible for the Earth to be young, and distant stars to be billions of years old, and yet both owe their existence to the SAME creation event. For more, see the following:

http://creation.com/images/pdfs/cabook/chapter5.pdf

[GodGunsGuts]

See reply #20 and #24, if you would like to know more.

[COBOL2Java]

Sounds like maybe the rings are just construction debris that hasn’t yet been cleaned up.

Were't the rings Slartibartfast's idea?

[Sawdring]

Whoops, thought this was a scientific article.

[mikrofon]

Saturn’s are indeed “young”, but the Lord of GM* has decreed that no more are to be created...

[Boogieman]

I think he was mainly in charge of fjords.

[DTogo]

Does a 5+ billion year-old universe somehow disprove the existence of God? If not, what’s the big deal?

[GodGunsGuts]

He has a Master’s degree in biotchnology from an approved Temple of Darwin university. So I’m pretty sure that he understands evo-science a tad better than a middle school kid.

[Caramelgal]

Actually, as a number of creation cosmologists have demonstrated, gravitational time dilation makes it possible for the Earth to be young, and distant stars to be billions of years old, and yet both owe their existence to the SAME creation event.

Now if “creation cosmetologists” could find a way to use gravitational time dilation to make me to appear much younger than the DOB on my driver’s license, then I’ll be impressed.

For more, see the following:

Gravitational time dilation

And

The speed of light was faster in the past

[itsahoot]

But, but, I thought this science was settled also...

Science is always settled, until it becomes unsettled, but soon it is settled again, until it becomes unsettled.............

[GodGunsGuts]

Not at all. As creation cosmologists have been pointing out for years now, gravitational time dilation makes it possible for the Earth to be thousands of years old, and the outer reaches of the Universe to be billions of years old, and yet both owe their existence to the SAME creation event. See the following for a good layman’s overview:

http://creation.com/images/pdfs/cabook/chapter5.pdf

[dmz]

Actually, as a number of creation cosmologists have demonstrated
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Have they demonstrated it (empirical) or suggested that it could be possible?

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[GodGunsGuts]

Your links prove nothing except your own ignorance. Yes, creation cosmologists flirted with the idea of light speed decay, but abandoned it long ago. But what your source fails to mention is that the Evo Big Bangers have proposed light speed decay to solve their own horizon problem. And as for your garvitational time dilation link, it asks us to accept the Evo-argument on authority. You’re really batting a thousand there, Caramelgal...LOL!

[Nipplemancer]

he won an award for the fjords of norway! the mice especially liked them.

[varmintman]

Three or four of our planets including Earth, Mars, Saturn, and possibly one other have axial tilts set at around 25 degrees off the planet of the system; that’s what you’d expect when a larger system captures a smaller one, rare in the universe but not impossible. The ancient name “El” meant Saturn. All of the myriad biblical names and place names ending in ‘el’ meant something-or-other-Saturn: Isra-el, Rapha-el, Gabra-el, Dani-el... “Babel” meant “Saturn Gate” or something like that.

[Caramelgal]

He has a Master’s degree in biotchnology from an approved Temple of Darwin university. So I’m pretty sure that he understands evo-science a tad better than a middle school kid.

I presume you mean “biotechnology”. That could apply to a wide range of areas of focus including Pharmacogenomics and Agricultural applications.

I’d really be interested to know more about Mr. Thomas’s credentials, what school he graduated from and aside from writing articles for ICR and AIG, what is his professional background, where has he worked and what has he accomplished as even Creationwiki has no biography on him. And one would think that the Institute for Creation Research would use something more impressive behind his name than “Science Writer”.

Doing a web search on Brian Thomas M.S brings up only articles he’s written for creationist websites and some dentist in Florida (who also has an M.S behind his name).

That being said, while getting a Master’s degree is not easy, it’s also not indicative of a person’s creditability to write authoritatively on subjects outside of his area of expertise – in this case – someone with a degree in biotechnology writing about astronomy for instance or an MBA writing an article on auto mechanics.

It’s also been my experience that there are some people with a Masters degree that obviously did very well in school but who in real life applications of that degree were complete idiots. I’ve worked with several MBA’s with CPA’s who had difficulty grasping even basic accounting.

But with or without Mr. Thomas’s degree, the articles you post by him are poorly written and demonstrate a lack of any understanding of the topic he’s writing about and I would expect someone with a Masters degree to do better.