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To: Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; MHGinTN

OK, I have a REALLY stupid question. Please, no eye-rolling.

From what I understand, the components of particles end up being reduced to nothing more than energy. And yet, they have mass. (The whole concept that an electron is both a wave and a particle is beyond me.)

This implies that energy has mass.

Can someone please explain to me how a particle has mass?

Stupid question, I know. But the more I read about particle physics, the less sense “energy (somehow) = mass” makes to me.

Understanding this will go a long way toward helping my understanding of gravity.


63 posted on 05/06/2009 12:37:09 PM PDT by Marie
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To: Marie; MHGinTN; hosepipe
Thank you so very much for your encouragements, dear Marie!

Can someone please explain to me how a particle has mass?

The terms mass, matter and energy can be confusing because they are often used to define each other.

Mass is the measure of the matter of an object and matter occupies space and time. Energy is the amount of work required to change the state of a system.

Energy is also used as a substitute term for relativistic mass which is the observed or apparent mass as an object approaches the speed of light and thereby increases mass.

To an observer, the relativistic mass increases as the velocity of the object increases whereas the invariant mass is the rest mass of the object itself. And inertial mass is the resistance of the object to changing its state of motion when force is applied to it.

For massless particles (e.g. photons or light) the energy of the particle is its momentum times the speed of light. Massless particles do not have a rest frame, they are always moving at the speed of light regardless of the frame of reference.

The photon travels a "null path" - for it no time elapses.

Matter constitutes the observed universe (space/time) and matter density (mass relative to volume) in the universe is called the critical density.

Antimatter is matter composed of the antiparticles of the particles that compose matter. The antiquark is the antiparticle of the quark, the positron is the antiparticle of the electron, etc.

When matter and antimatter collide, they are mutually annihilated, and energy is released in a burst of radiation. Matter is also created by energy in pairs as in the case where two or more photons interact to create a new fermion/antifermion pair.

Even so, that 5 percent of the critical density called “ordinary matter” has not yet been created or observed (Higgs field/boson) despite many attempts. The new equipment at CERN may yet observe the Higgs but so far, no cigar.

However, physicists love a good mystery and already have other theories for what we call mass:

The Mysteries of Mass

It is possible that the particles we see are all actually massless, their apparent masses corresponding to extra-dimensional momentum components we can't as yet detect.

Five Dimensional Relativity and Two Times

It is possible that null paths in 5D appear as the timelike paths of massive particles in 4D, where there is an oscillation in the fifth dimension around the hypersurface we call spacetime. A particle in 5D may be regarded as multiply imaged in 4D, and the 4D weak equivalence principle may be regarded as a symmetry of the 5D metric.

Or to put it another way, the particles we observe in four dimensions may actually be a single particle in a fifth time-like dimension multiply imaged 1080 times.

It was Einstein's dream to transmute the base wood of matter to the pure marble of geometry.

I agree with Einstein, the geometry (space/time) is the key. In that regard, you can think of high gravity regions (ordinary matter and dark matter) as space/time indentations and conversely, negative gravity regions (dark energy - space between galaxies) as space/time "outdents."

Likewise, in that respect, I think of particles as placemarkers in the dynamic fabric of space/time.

64 posted on 05/06/2009 12:50:03 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Marie

That was not at all a stupid question! Kudos for having the courage to ask.


74 posted on 05/06/2009 3:19:32 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Marie
The "wave and particle" conundrum is actually easily explained in the context of my theory. That was one of the facets that, to me at least, provided it early credibility. Mass and energy are the same thing, but sort of like ice and steam. One is solid, one is gas, both are water.

It does get a bit thick, but once you see it, you'll be like Homer Simpson (Dohh!!). It really is not as hard as people make it out to be.

81 posted on 05/06/2009 6:53:50 PM PDT by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: Marie
From what I understand, the components of particles end up being reduced to nothing more than energy. And yet, they have mass.

It's not a stupid question.

Energy has many forms, and a given amount of energy can be converted between these forms with some limitations. Mass is simply one of these forms of energy, as related by the equation E=mc^2. The concept is really as simple as that.

Just as a side note, it's not true that particles are reduced to only energy. The Standard Model of particle physics postulates other attributes of particles (including electric charge, for example) which are currently irreducible. So it would be more accurate to say that a particle can be reduced to some amount of energy and a list of its fundamental attributes.
90 posted on 05/06/2009 10:34:06 PM PDT by aNYCguy
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