Posted on 05/02/2009 6:52:35 AM PDT by ReformationFan
The Interfaith Alliance, a far-left religious advocacy group in Idaho, has accused Scott Lively, a scheduled speaker at this weekend's "Shake the Nation" conference in Boise, of "bearing false witness" and of being "mean-spirited and hurtful."
Lively's crime? In his book, "The Pink Swastika," Lively exposes a secret homosexual activists don't want you to know about Nazi Germany: that although the Nazis did persecute homosexuals, the homosexuals the Nazis persecuted were almost exclusively the effeminate members of the gay community in Germany, and that much of the mistreatment was administered by masculine homosexuals who despised effeminacy in all its forms.
Ludwig Lenz worked at the Sex Research Institute in Berlin, which was destroyed by Hitler's Brown Shirts in 1933 likely because its records, including 40,000 confessions from members of the Nazi Party, would have exposed the sexual perversions of Nazi leadership. Lenz said that "not ten percent of the men who, in 1933, took the fate of Germany into their hands, were sexually normal."
In fact, the Nazi Party began in a gay bar in Munich, and Ernst Roehm, Hitler's right hand in the early days of Nazism, was well-known for his taste in young boys. William Shirer says in his definitive "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich," not only that Roehm was "important in the rise of Hitler," but also "like so many of the early Nazis, (he was) a homosexual."
Hitler eventually had Roehm shot, not because he was a homosexual but because his influence over the Brown Shirts made him a political threat to Hitler's control. The Roehm Purge, or "Night of the Long Knives," was largely implemented by homosexuals.
Hitler's Brown Shirts, the dreaded SA, better known as "Storm Troopers," were the creation of another homosexual, Gerhard Rossbach, and Storm Troopers were almost exclusively homosexual.
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Don’t forget that Nazis were also enviromentalists, anti-smoking and pro-vegetarianism.
The upper ranks of the Nazi Party was filled with perverts and sadists. Sadly, this not often mentioned in the ‘official revised’ history taught these days.
In a totalitarian state, you can pass all the laws you want. You just selectively enforce them against your enemies and ignore them for your friends. Fiendishly clever really.
Also, I know a couple of 'butch' gay guys who have disdain for their 'femme' gay colleagues. It is not unheard of at all.
While there may have been individual instances of closeted homosexuals participating in the government of the Third Reich, and in the operation of the Security apparatus, I doubt the numbers warrant the extrapolation underlying the article.
Were they also cat people?
Hitler liked dogs. Kept GSDs. Tested the poison he and the Mrs. took on his dog Blondi.
I think more Dachshund, Rottweiler and German Shepard people./sarc
Gays are also deeply entrenched in our political system.
I graduated from a major university in the deep south and I know of several guys that were very involved with the SGA that turned out being gay. A lot of these SGA clowns end up being in politics after college too.
Gays are far more involved in our political system than people would think.
Hey! I resemble that remark! I'm cat people and conservative - my cat even votes Republican all the way. ; )
Read a book called “The Hidden Hitler”. It makes a pretty persuasive case that Hitler (and the core leadership of the SA) was homosexual. There was supposedly a Vienna police file on Hitler in his young “Bohemian artist” days regarding his activity as a male prostitute. The file of course has disappeared.
Hitler had Roehm killed and the SA suppressed because it was insistent on being “revolutionary” (too Red as someone earlier said!). Hitler had now had the power he wanted, there was no need for more revolution. Killing Roehm, suppressing the SA had the added benefit of removing those that knew something possibly tawdry about “Der Fuerher”, well that was icing on the cake.
and they loved show tunes......
Yes. Most ordinary people think that all homosexuals are pretty much interchangeable. Big mistake.
There are butch homosexuals and effeminate homosexuals, those who dominate and those who submit. In the Nazi party, there were plenty of butch homosexuals in the top ranks.
It’s much the same with Islam. Homosexuality is extremely common in the Arab world. Dominant homosexuals can do what they like, and submissive homosexuals are the ones who get hanged. It’s a kind of perverted reflection of the rules that say that it’s OK for a man to rape someone, but it’s the rape victim who gets stoned. Islam admires dominance and despises submission. But, of course, Islam MEANS submission, which is to say that everyone has to submit to whatever the Muslim leaders want.
Theres lots of speculation about whats going on in our own govt.
“Sorry. Himmler had any SS man who was involved in homosexuality shot.”
Oh, you were there, were you? Watched it all happen, first hand? Or is that you choose to believe some historical accounts while discounting others, and you’re right and everyone else is wrong. Those twisted fruits were used by the Nazi’s to do the dirty work, because they knew those twisted freaks would do it, without hesitation or remorse. Then, like most useful idiots in a socialist/commie country, they were eliminated once they served their purpose. But that doesn’t discount the vital role they played in establishing the Nazi party.
There does seem to be a bit of effeminate or girlish behavior on the part of many liberals...it's a thing...ya see it and it registers but ya just ignore it. And likewise, there does seem to be something healthily masculine about conservatives. Again, ya see it and it registers but it never gets talked about..but it is there.
In Liberal Fascism, Goldberg points out that any acolyte whose flavor of Marxism was a bit different than the Dear Leaders (either Fascist or Communist Dear Leader), or just plain pissed him off, was labeled as the other flavor of Marxist and executed.
Calling Roehm and others “revolutionary” or, more likely, “communist” was the kiss of death to this bunch.
Since the membership in the SA reached almost 3 million, which is above 10% of the male population of Germany of the age to be Storm Troopers, it is obviously impossible that they were "almost exclusively homosexual".
Studies have shown?
I'm not quite sure of your point here. Roehm and many others, perhaps including Der Fuerher, were gay, but they reformed by lining a bunch of the flamers up against the wall? And that renders the connection a non-connection?
[Roehm and the SA leadership were shot because they were perceived as too Red, not because so many of them were too lavender].
I've read Shirer's book probably half a dozen times and I missed that little factoid. I'll have to check it again.
No. I wasn’t there. But then, I doubt you were either. And I sincerely doubt any gay Nazis were going to come out to you if you were. or let you watch them do interrogations. Himmler’s orders and the execution of homosexual SS men are historical facts.The basic premise of the article is hisdtorical surmise. Try to understand the diference some time.
And while the SA leadership did, indeed, play a vital role in establishing the Nazi regime, they [including a great many non-homosexual SA leaders] were killed, and the SA eradicated as a major player in Nazi politics after KALIBRI.
The sadomasochistic tendencies of the Islamists and treatment of women is rooted in their covert homoeroticism...
A cursory psychoanalysis of the masochistic left in the West will find that most of those submissive, feminized males are most often allied with Islam because of such militant, misogynist attitudes in their deviant thinking concerning sexuality. Like Islamics, nothing sets them off more than any criticism at all, even if it is founded in the facts of biological reality.
I’m not persuaded by the history books I’ve read that the case of Hitler’s alleged homosexuality is a proven fact. Be that as it may, the point I was arguing,is that open homosexuality , of either the effeminate or more ‘muscular’ type was subject to draconian penalties after the Night of the Long Knives. And since the premise articulated in the article was that the ‘effeminate’ gays were persecuted by their less flamboyant brethren, we arrived at the regime’s enforcement apparatus, the SS, and the German police forces: the Sicherheitspolitzei, Ordnungspolitzei and the SS SD. Which was why I mentioned Himmler’s orders and actions regarding homosexuality in the SS.
what is SGA?
It has always seemed to me that one reason for its success is that Islam is a religion expressly designed for the dominance of cowardly bullies and sadists. It has been much more successful than Communism at seizing power and maintaining power.
Were not the majority of the first members of the nazi party homosexual?
Student Government Association.
I wouldn’t say a majority, although Ernst Rohm certainly was.
But one thing that always struck me, is that when you look at the ideal Aryan that the Nazis talked about, and then looked at their leadership, very few looked anything like that ideal, they mostly had dark hair, and were rather scrawny in appearance. Goebbels was even born with a clubbed foot, which was considered a birth defect, and under the Nazi guidelines, would have made him eligible to be euthanized.
Shirer does describe Roehm's belief in and plans for a "second revolution," more of a communist revolution, and states that this was a major point of disagreement between the two friends.
In Germany they're known as SDs.
Yes, of course you're right about that. His long relationship with Eva Braun and his much earlier and more tempestuous relationship with the beautiful Geli Raubal (which ended, as you know, with her death, apparantly self-induced) mitigate against the identification of Hitler as an actual homosexual.
According to Shirer, the S.A. numbered 2 million at it's height, and functioned as the Nazi party's police force during its formative years.
Many rank and file SA members started out as Communist street brawlers, they had about as much loyalty as Arlen Specter.
Interesting that a similar thing happened in Cuba in the 1960s — Castro, whose inner circle was a cabal of male & female homosexuals— created concentration camps (UMAP)
for homsexuals. This was all documented in the film ,”Improper Conduct”(1984). Of course, almost no gay in the US and elsewhere spoke out against Castro at the time.
The night of the long knives occured because Reohm differed with Hitler when it came to the nationalization of German industry, (which the earlier asertion that it happened because of being too red is close) Hitler earler discussed nationalization of industry in Mein Kamph but like Mussolini (who by the way blocked Hitlers’s first attempt to seize Austria) followed the fascist school of socialism and discarded that aspect of communisim because of the support by Farben and Krupp. Then there is Himler,which took over the remanants of the disbanded SA .
Himler is very interesting because he organized SS Strum Stauffen units composed solely and comanded by officers of French, White Russian/Ukraine, Lithuaninan,and slav/ Romainan and others in the later stages of WWII.
In fact Vlasoff’s army (a SS unit outfitted by Himler) liberated Prague Czecheslovkia from the Greman SS units only to be turned over to the Russian Army and liquidated.
Barney Frank RATS, HEADS UP.
One of the earliest aspects of the rise of Naziism was the Hitler Youth movement. I have read that there was a fair amount of homosexuality there, as well.
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what is SGA?
Student Government Association
These guys are campus politicos wanting to make import decisions like who parks where, who sits in what section during football season, what day is chili cookoff, etc.
These folks get into politics not because of what is right with the American people but sort of to be in a social club. Bill Clinton got into campus politics to feed his ego and meet girls.
>>What is SGA?
“UCCS students elect gay president on heels of discrimination controversy”
http://www.gazette.com/articles/student-52538-president-williams.html
Ancient Greek males were just about all homosexual and that warrior cult may have been what the Nazis were trying to emulate.
They were called ‘Beefsteak Nazis’: ‘Brown on the outside, Red on the inside’.
The SA were the left-wing of the Nazi party, and that was why Hitler had them done away with, Hitler believed more with cooperating with the businessmen, because he knew that was the only way he could get their support. As long as the leftists in the SA were a threat, they would never support Hitler.
Since Roehm wanted to form some half-assed national militia, incorporating the SA and the Army [under Roehm’s command], the military wanted him reined in as well. They struck their deal with Hitler during an inspection/ cruise on the Panzerschiffe DEUTSCHLAND [later LUETZOW].
In return for Hitler taking care of the problem, they agreed not to oppose his combining the Chancellorship with the Presidency [after Hindenburg’s death], agreed to wear the eagle and swastika on their uniforms and caps, and also agreed to have the entire military swear allegiance to Hitler when he combined the two offices.
They also supplied the LEIBSTANDARTE SS ADOLF HITLER with trucks, small arms and machine guns during ‘Operation Kalibri’, and went on alert to deal with any potential action by the SA membership.
No, I was actually assuming that a much smaller number of people in any modern society are inclined toward homosexual behavior. Gay organizations promote the 10% figure but I personally do not believe this. I do not think it is plausible that all the members of an organization as large as the SA would suddenly and willingly adopt homosexual behavior as the price of admission. Very few heterosexual males are going to turn gay just so they can join a really great club. Everything I have read about the SA indicates that it consisted largely of tough guys from lower socio-economic backgrounds who were hoping that the Nazi Party would improve things.
People being born gay is just another myth
That's your opinion.
Ancient Greek males were just about all homosexual
There's no question that there was a lot of homosexual behavior in ancient Greece, but I'm not sure that anybody can claim to know what the percentage of participants was. Also, it's not clear that one can generalize to modern societies from what was going on ~2400 years ago. There were other weird things in ancient Greece as well.
Check out the first paragraph of the article.
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