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How do FreeRepublic Conservatives recover ground for their Presidential retreat?
1 May 2009 | Self

Posted on 05/01/2009 2:54:54 PM PDT by Racehorse

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To: LetsRok

“I pulled the lever for the only American citizen on the final ballot. It just happened to be John Mccain.”

Me too. It was either McCain or the anti-Christ.


61 posted on 05/01/2009 4:03:04 PM PDT by 1035rep ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: Racehorse

When you take over a failing company, the first thing you do is severely prune back the deadwood. And you write off or dispose of as many doubtful accounts and otherwise questionable assets as you possibly can so you’re not saddled with non-producing, unprofitable units during your rebuilding years to come.

The RINO GOP is a failing company. It’s time for a conservative takeover. Hostile if need be. It’s time to clean up the balance sheet, write off worthless assets and dispose of questionable or non producing units. If we’re not seeing a reasonable return on investment, dump them!

Democrat voting senators like Specter, Snowe, Collins, McCain, et al, are deadwood or unreliable doubtful loser accounts and should be dumped now! We need to severely prune back on RINOS and other useless deadwood while we can so we can rebuild and strengthen our CONSERVATIVE party for the future.

There WILL be a backlash against Obama’s socialist big government anti-capitalist, anti-America programs I guarantee you. We need to be in fighting trim to maximize our potential and capitalize on non competitive socialist failure!

Paraphrasing the party founder:

A house divided against itself cannot stand.

I believe this party cannot endure, permanently half socialist and half free.

I do not expect the party to be dissolved — I do not expect the house to fall — but I do expect it will cease to be divided.

It will become all one thing or all the other.


62 posted on 05/01/2009 4:03:18 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: SeattleBruce

We need to create a conservative coalition that will remake the Republican party and utilize 3rd parties when needed. The reason we cannot abandon the Republican party completely has to do with laws and political rules. Unless you want to be marginalized for 50 years and labor in vain...? I’ll be more than happy to go into more detail here.


63 posted on 05/01/2009 4:04:12 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Country and the Tea Party! Take America Back!)
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To: Leto

“Even now a lot of these morons want to move to the left.”

This is where we conservatives need to win the battle - WITHIN the Republican party.


64 posted on 05/01/2009 4:06:13 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Country and the Tea Party! Take America Back!)
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I didn’t vote for McCain but I live in a state where McCain was sure to win - and did win - so my non-vote didn’t matter. I voted for Chuck Baldwin.

But what if McCain had won the White House? Yes, we wouldn’t have faced Obama’s Marxist-Socialist agenda but we’d have a “bipartisan” “Republican” falling all over himself to pass bills to win favor of the Democrat majority in both houses, further blurring the Republican meesage. McCain would be on CNN or MSNBC every night decrying the people he caucuses with and praising “my friends across the aisle”.

And we’d have Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe and Lindsey Graham trying to remake the GOP into their vision of linguini-spined Democrat Lites.

So, it would have been barf-bag city either way as far as I’m concerned. At least with Democrats in total control, America can see what their party is truly about which is bashing Wall Street, torpedoing our economy, jacking up people’s taxes and playing kissy-face with America’s enemies while shunning America’s friends. As terrible as it all is, most Republicans are finding themselves more unified now in their opposition to Obama than when they were when they were in power and that might be the push they need to launch a strong comeback in 2010 or 2012.

We need a strong conservative who looks good, talks good, debates well and attracts people outside the party to his cause. He/she also needs to have the stones to not back down to the media or the Democrats when they mischaracterize and smear everything the conservative stands for. Short of that, we’re in for a long long political winter.


65 posted on 05/01/2009 4:07:32 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (YES WE CAN have a Depression.)
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To: Jim Robinson

“The RINO GOP is a failing company. It’s time for a conservative takeover. Hostile if need be. It’s time to clean up the balance sheet, write off worthless assets and dispose of questionable or non producing units. If we’re not seeing a reasonable return on investment, dump them!

Democrat voting senators like Specter, Snowe, Collins, McCain, et al, are deadwood or unreliable doubtful loser accounts and should be dumped now! We need to severely prune back on RINOS and other useless deadwood while we can so we can rebuild and strengthen our CONSERVATIVE party for the future.”

Yes, and amen - ABSOLUTELY.


66 posted on 05/01/2009 4:08:17 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Country and the Tea Party! Take America Back!)
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To: Racehorse

I thank God in heaven, that 70% of what Obama is doing, was not done by a person from the Republican Party in my name.

I may hate what Obama is doing, but the Democrats will get blamed for all of it for a change. And that ain’t half bad.

The next time we warn folks about how bad a guy from the left can be, a lot more people in this nation are going to listen.

We now stand out from these poor policies. The poor policies implemented in our name, place a lead weight around our necks, so we’ll sink in the next election.

McCain got way more votes than he deserved. I may hate Obama, but I honestly would have hated McCain worse. He would have destroyed our cause, pure and simple.


67 posted on 05/01/2009 4:12:37 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: calcowgirl

Excellent, I haven’t seen that one before.


68 posted on 05/01/2009 4:12:39 PM PDT by donna (Air Force One: WHO WAS ON THE PLANE?)
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To: donna

Those are two separate quotes, made 10 years apart.
(see my profile page for more)


69 posted on 05/01/2009 4:13:55 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: calcowgirl

Thanks CalCowGirl. Nice...


70 posted on 05/01/2009 4:15:03 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: DoughtyOne

You’re very welcome, sir! :-)


71 posted on 05/01/2009 4:17:06 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: anniegetyourgun

I say that not one American voted for obama. The majority of the electorate voted for obama and I hope that they choke on him.


72 posted on 05/01/2009 4:19:41 PM PDT by sport
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To: Just mythoughts; calcowgirl; org.whodat
I am getting really tired of these high minded moderates posting stupid vanities..... as though they are above US all.... asking stupid questions about how Conservatives ‘feel’......as if the intent was "real" concern.

Amen.

Helps to realize that it takes a sucker to suck up to Rooty and McC. LOL.

73 posted on 05/01/2009 4:20:10 PM PDT by Liz (I was like Snow White, then I drifted. Mae West (on liberalism.)
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To: Liz

...and Romney.


74 posted on 05/01/2009 4:21:00 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("You used to be so charming, before you 'became' God")
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To: jla

“Wow, and thank you too Shelly for that kind introduction, and thank you so much for your endorsement, and with your help, Shelly Shelly [Mandell, President of NOW’s LA Chapter], in November, all of us, who consider ourselves progressive...”

- Sarah Palin, Rally 10/04/08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S03ZfFf_gGQ&feature=player_embedded


75 posted on 05/01/2009 4:26:43 PM PDT by donna (Air Force One: WHO WAS ON THE PLANE?)
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To: calcowgirl

I particularly appreciate that quote, because I am so sick and tired of having the 11th Commandment quoted to me.

You go girl... ;-)


76 posted on 05/01/2009 4:29:15 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: Racehorse

You did get the answer to your original question. Most of us here did vote for McCain, thanks to his choice of Palin.

But obviously we were not enough to get him elected, so you’re talking to the wrong people.

The problem wasn’t us, we were there. The problem was that for whatever reason the guy who emerged on top after the primary was the guy least able to beat Obama, who strangely enough was also the guy who least represented us. We didn’t want him, we warned everyone against him, but when we got him we closed ranks and, grudgingly, stuck together.

None of us are happy about being forced to back the guy.

Now to your next question. What do we do next? We’re faced with a real problem, which is the fact that we don’t have any good venue for getting our views out into the marketplace. We saw this during the last primary when conservative candidates were frozen out. But its not a new problem, its been a problem for decades now, and for decades we’ve failed to deal with it. The problem is still with us.

Because in the end, the way you win elections is by persuading people, and you can’t persuade anyone if you, first, don’t know what you believe, or second, downplay what you believe in an effort to be “electable”, or third, you can’t effectively communicate your ideas for whatever reason. Our usual method has been for candidates to lay low and hope people accidentally elect them thinking they were someone else.

Thats one reason we need to get rid of the guys like Specter, who don’t believe in the principles the party is based on. You can’t effectively persuade anyone if half the party is running for cover or sidestepping every time a fight over principle comes up. We’re undone every time we argue for principle and someone can legitimately point to party leaders doing and saying the opposite.

We win when we boldly articulate what we believe. We lose when we don’t. And it doesn’t help when we articulate what we believe, to find that half the party swells are voting with the Dems. When the consequences have to be paid for a bad bill, like the current economic debacle, they get to point the finger right back at the Repubs and claim, with honesty, that it was a bi-partisan decision. Because thanks to Repubs whose principles are negotiable, it was.


77 posted on 05/01/2009 4:31:07 PM PDT by marron
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To: Racehorse
Wondering how all the anti-Republican "I'm not gonna vote for McCain" folks think about about what they got?

Wonder how all the anti-Republican "I'm not gonna vote for Arlen Specter" folks think about about what they got?

78 posted on 05/01/2009 4:32:36 PM PDT by InMemoriam (...with Olympia Snowe in the on-deck circle.)
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To: Racehorse
the question remains, “what do we do for the mid-term elections?”

Run small government, pro-Constitution candidates.
79 posted on 05/01/2009 4:36:52 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: Racehorse

McCain would have been the better choice? Good for the Conservative cause? I don’t think so. He would have just muddied the issue. And that is why I did not vote for him.

He is a phony. Better to have a full fledged, over-reaching Marxist, than a RINO.


80 posted on 05/01/2009 4:47:23 PM PDT by AdaGray (uw)
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