[lynn4303]

At first the older one denied everything,” said a senior special forces officer last week. “Then we roughed her up and gave her electric shocks. She provided us with good information...just nonsense - all the experts including John McCain tell us torture doesn't work / sarc.......

Yeah, well our definition of torture isn't the same as theirs. Putting an insect on a man will not get results, And that is not real torture. Putting his under ware on his head won't either. Applying pain to where he wishes he would die so it will stop, that's torture. Which was the whole reason I posted this article. We have become so wimpy that even our definition of what torture is has become wimpy. We are headed for very difficult times

[Intolerant in NJ]

We are headed for very difficult times...that's for sure - not only because as you point out what we define as "torture" is so wimpy as to be ineffective, but because by now we are trying to be so morally superior that we will not use even those wimpy methods - and even beyond that, we have now informed the entire world that we won't use even those most wimpy methods, so that anyone who might be subjected to them such as they are knows he will have nothing to fear except at the worst some minor and short-lived irritations - we are toothless - difficult times indeed......