Posted on 04/16/2009 9:21:26 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Wow. So much for refraining from insulting the religious beliefs of fellow FReepers.
Chimp Study Reveals Human Are Uniquely “Weired”.
Indeed. The whole problem with the "Animal Rights" movement is that modern man grows up mostly in an urban/suburban environment which deprives him of real knowledge of brute animals. Our only knowledge of animals is with our pet cats and dogs which we anthropomorphize. As a society we have lost the knowledge of the impassable chasm between man and the animals.
“FWIW, I only object when animal behavior, especially primate behavior, is used to promote what amounts to a left-wing political agenda. I don’t go to the Bible for answers to biological questions just as I don’t go to science for answers to moral questions.
As a religious person, I find the similarities between apes and humans fascinating but hardly threatening to my humanity.”
I agree wholeheartedly with it, we may disagree here on the origins of Humanity, but by saying that we evolved from animals gives us providence to act like animals is completely wrong.
We are the only critters on this planet than can actively change our environments, usually for the better, sometimes for the worse. We have brains that we use to create moral codes and social contracts that benefit the whole of our species. We protect our young and weak, something the other animals do, but they also let their old and weak get eaten by predators, we do not.
Even if we are evolved from animals, we are humans and even Nature demands that we act like Humans and not animals. Maybe nature was just sick and tired of the way animals acted and wanted to try something new. Weather we were created by god or Nature we are still Humans and because of our intelligence we must strive for a higher standard than animals.
Evolutionary theory does not hold that man is descended from chimps or gorillas, but that the three groups has some common ancestor if you go back far enough.
The ICR article references some mainstream science articles. This one goes into reasons why the strength levels of men and chimps are so different. There are two main kinds of muscle fiber, and every muscle has some of each kind in varying proportions. One kind is good for explosive strength, but tires quickly. The other kind produces less strength, but allows you to exert yourself for extended periods. Humans have more of the latter.
Chimps have the kind of explosive strength that allows them to fight off a sudden attack, or quickly scamper up a tree, but not be able to work at something hour after hour without rest. Humans are able to work for hour after hour at low levels, at the cost of not having as much short-term strength. The latter becomes important when you have to work a plow all day. Humans who did not have the stamina to work a plow all day, or to walk for hours stalking prey, would not survive that well in ancient times.
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To admit there are weaknesses, flaws, or inconsistencies in the theory of creation does not make you a evolutionist. It just makes you an honest person.
What makes humans different from others in the animal kingdom is consciousness. The ability to over-ride instinct, the ability to determine “right and wrong.”
This also gives humans the ability to consciously create.
All of this is in the image of God.
If we are to look scientifically for human uniqueness, this is where we would look. However, consciousness is also very resistant to the methods of science to know.
Good cartoon.
There is also a corollary to deducing science from theology: inferring theology from science.
Both are errors.
I agree, actually, it is fine to admit there are things we don’t know or that are inconsistent or inexplicable.
The schools are free to pop holes in creationist ideas with abandon. But they usually can’t be critical of evolution at all. I don’t think that is honest or “scientific.”
>>Weather we were created by god or Nature we are still Humans and because of our intelligence we must strive for a higher standard than animals.<<
Why?
>>Maybe nature was just sick and tired of the way animals acted and wanted to try something new. <<
Only from intelligence can something “want” something.
Who is this “nature” you refer to?
God COULD do that. But since He says in His word that he did something entirely different, and that we’re made in His image, the contrast between father monkey and Father God are very dramatic.
>>We protect our young and weak, something the other animals do, but they also let their old and weak get eaten by predators, we do not.<<
Or in the case of abortion (and soon, euthanasia), we don’t leave it to predators. We kill them ourselves.
Then there is the various and sundry stories of genocide throughout human history.
>>...saying that we evolved from animals gives us providence to act like animals is completely wrong.<<
I agree. However, BELIEVING that we evolved from animals DOES give one providence to act like an animal.
Science however, has no role in theological undertakings and doesn’t presume to make statements about the supernatural. The inverse sadly is not true.
>>Humans who did not have the stamina to work a plow all day, or to walk for hours stalking prey, would not survive that well in ancient times.<<
The plow is a relatively new invention. There has been zero observable evolution preceeding or following it’s invention and application.
Lot’s of animals survive stalking prey for long periods.
No.
A better way to state that is "Evolutionary theory does not hold that man is descended from chimps or gorillas, but that there is enough evidence for some to hypothesize the three groups have some common ancestor if you go back far enough." There is no real evidence. Not one single ounce.
>>>>Maybe nature was just sick and tired of the way animals acted and wanted to try something new. <<<<
>>Only from intelligence can something “want” something.
Who is this “nature” you refer to?<<
This is the argument I use to tell greenpeace Earth lovers that if humans are created from nature, then anything man does is also Natural. Thus they say Human progress is against Nature. Because if nature (in their idea of nature) didn’t want earth to have global wamring, it wouldn’t have evolved humans.
This shuts them up pretty quickly.
>>God COULD do that. But since He says in His word that he did something entirely different, and that we’re made in His image, the contrast between father monkey and Father God are very dramatic.<<
If we are made in his image then we should be perfect by the Transitive Property, Humans are not perfect, we are flawed species, but then again every species is a flawed species.
Find me a perfect Human being and I will agree with you that they were made in God’s Image.
>>>>...saying that we evolved from animals gives us providence to act like animals is completely wrong.<<<<
>>I agree. However, BELIEVING that we evolved from animals DOES give one providence to act like an animal.<<
In their minds it gives them providence. How about this argument: You were once a child so why are you not still acting like a child? When one grows, they no longer act like little children, they grow and are able to make decisions. Chimp intelligence has been tested as being close to a 3-5 year old child, so those people who think we should behave like chimps are only mentally 3 to 5 years old.
>>>>Evolutionary theory does not hold that man is descended from chimps or gorillas, but that the three groups has some common ancestor if you go back far enough. <<<<
>>No.
A better way to state that is “Evolutionary theory does not hold that man is descended from chimps or gorillas, but that there is enough evidence for some to hypothesize the three groups have some common ancestor if you go back far enough.” There is no real evidence. Not one single ounce. <<
There are Fossils of Human Ancestors, Ancestors who have been walking upright for over 4 million years. From 4 million years ago till now the more the skeletal remains start to resemble Modern Humans, the younger the remains the more modern skeletal features they display, how do you explain this? Could Eve have been an Australopithecus? The main debate is if and when humans diverged from the other species that share up to 98% of our DNA with us.
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