Posted on 04/16/2009 8:59:36 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
When last I was taught evolution-based science, the question of the actual flight of the bumblebee and the ability of fireflies to create light without heat was admitted to be not understood. I just use them as examples. That was 30 years ago, so if they’ve figured out something by now, great.
I think you know that there are major holes in evolutionary theory, like missing links and the fact that all spontaneous mutations are net negatives, not progress, and that mutations always involve a decrease in genetic info, not an increase in genetic info - just for example. I doubt I need to to inform you of all the major problems with evolutionary theory. As you probably know it has been revised countless times already, and I am sure it will continue to be revised.
To pretend the theory has no problems is dishonest. Inquiry should be encouraged, not squelched.
Well, we are talking about a public school classroom, here. I’d be satisfied if the teachers/textbooks would not state the most current theories as facts, but as working hypotheses. If they don’t want to teach creation science in an advocating way, they could spend a few paragraphs detailing the most common objections to evolutionary theory and the most popular creation science arguments. These could be presented as theories, as well. I think that would be perfectly fair and would not poison anybody’s mind.
I teach my kids (creation based) science at home, but I do also teach them what evolution IS, a short view, not an in depth study. I don’t pretend there is no such thing as evolutionary theory. I present it as such, a theory.
By way of explanation, I quote Jennifer F., of Conversion Diary, also a former atheist:
“I remember back in 2005, when I had barely dipped my toe into the world of agnosticism after a life of atheism. I wasn’t sure if I believed in God or not, though I was leaning toward not. One afternoon I was reading about the subject of DNA, and I got butterflies in my stomach when I realized: DNA is information. It’s a set of instructions.
The implications of this realization could not be overstated. I leaned back in my chair, thought for a moment, and asked myself: “Can information — instructions — ever come from a non-intelligent source?”
I realized that the answer is no. And my life was never the same again.”
A creation based science course and an evolution based science course can both acknowledge DNA, unravel it, explain it, give experiments to teach about it. So my children have a decent understanding of DNA by their high school years. The fact that I teach that God created it and is the Designer of it doesn’t take away from the scientific facts necessary to work with DNA. In my opinion it enhances them, but whether you share the opinion or not, the true science does get taught.
Be careful - Physics shows the Earth to be billions of years old - supporting such things may cause others to turn on you.
If you are 30 years behind why are you commenting on modern science? It borders on fraud to pass off such old information as factual.
I didn’t know we needed current PhDs to comment on a casual forum. I never tried to pass myself off as an expert.
Obviously, you're a product of the public school system or you'd have a correct understanding of the Constitution and the way the government is supposed to work in regards to religion.
Christians are not second class citizens whose religious beliefs are to be kept out of the public square; hidden in a corner somewhere.
The Constitution was not written to guarantee a religion free or God free, society or government. It was written to protect people from your kind of thinking. The First Amendment reads.....
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;,or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
The government is forbidden to prevent the free exercise of religion. It cannot be kept out of the public school system. By forcing it out, you are indeed forcing YOUR religious views on someone else. It's interesting that you object to someone other than yourself's views being forced on others, but have no objection to forcing others to believe and live as YOU think they should. The hypocrisy of your position is staggering.
Public schools are paid for by the public, which includes the Christians whose beliefs you wish to control and suppress. By prohibiting them from being able to freely practice their religion, you are also endorsing taxation without representation.
Your views are so fascist that it's not funny.
Take a good hard look at Washington, DC. That's what making decisions based on who has the biggest bucket of perjoratives gets you.
Really? It's too bad you think so little of the science you seem to endorse....
Gen 1:1 In the beginning.....
There was a beginning supported by the Big Bang Theory and Einstein’s equations and Hubble’s observations.
Gen 1:2 The earth was formless and void,...
Supported by the solar nebula theory and the proto earth.
Gen 1:20 ”Let the waters teem with swarms of living creatures,
Scientists say that life arose in the seas.
Gen 1:24 ”Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind...
Gen 2:7 Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground,
“Shaped from clay [origin of life]”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1515522/posts
Scientists have concluded that clay was necessary for the formation of life.
Eccles 1:6 Blowing toward the south, Then turning toward the north, The wind continues swirling along; And on its circular courses the wind returns.
Scripture describes the circulating system of winds.
Eccles 1:7 All the rivers flow into the sea, Yet the sea is not full. To the place where the rivers flow, There they flow again.
The Bible also describes the water cycle.
Lev 17:10 - 12 `And any man from the house of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, who eats any blood, I will set My face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from among his people.
`For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement.’
“Therefore I said to the sons of Israel, `No person among you may eat blood, nor may any alien who sojourns among you eat blood.’
Blood is necessary for life. The life is in the blood.
Isa 40:22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
Earth is round. Could also refer to the orbit of the earth as seen from space.
Job 9 5, 8 ”It is God who removes the mountains, they know not how, When He overturns them in His anger; 8.Who alone stretches out the heavens And tramples down the waves of the sea;
The expansion of the universe.
Col 1: 15- 17 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
All things are being held together; gravitation, strong and weak nuclear forces, magnetism.
You are no student of history or law.
I feel sorry for you.
Passing off 30 year old information as current fact borders on the dishonest - especially when a 5 minute search would show that you got them wrong.
It would be the same as if I tried to pass off 150 year old Biblical interpretations as correct.
How old do you feel the Earth is?
*Blood is necessary for life. The life is in the blood.”
You really need to let the plants and the various single cell organisms know this. Or are they doing a real good job of faking us out?
Change the subject? No - I am trying to figure out just how much of modern science you feel is incorrect.
It has been my observation that asking short to the point questions is the best way to get definite answers. If you know of a better way please share.
It's more than just *seems to*. It is.
Questioning any other theory doesn't earn you epithets of *cretard*, comparisons of you to islamic terrorists, accusations of you wanting to establish a theocracy and ushering in a new Dark Ages, or any other such thing.
Questioning of any other scientific theory does not raise the objections or accusations that questioning the ToE does. All of which goes to show that it's not really about the science in the first place, but that it's about the difference in ideologies.
Thank you so much for your outstanding essay-post, dear sister in Christ!
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