Time to settle the “flying saucers” question.....

Ria Novosti ^ | April 2nd, 2009

[JoeProBono]

[Star Traveler]

You said — “The only solid proof I know of for UFO’s is the existence of Al Gore.”

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Ummmm..., yeah! Since Al Gore was born about 9 months after Roswell... LOL...

[that was enough time for those aliens to get their DNA machine cranked up...]

[Star Traveler]

Well..., TaraP, you pinged me and others to this title — “Time to settle the ‘flying saucers’ question.....”

And my first thought to that was, “Not until the Second Coming of Christ...” LOL...

[Star Traveler]

You were saying to TaraP — “If a bird flies by and you can’t identify the species, then, yes, it can be called a UFO... “

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One reason why I don’t like to use the word UFO, if I see something I didn’t recognize is because UFO — does not — mean that any more. LOL...

It basically means, in the minds of the public, that it’s craft that no one has conclusively identified, which is piloted by an alien from an advanced civilization out in space somewhere (for the most part).

So, I prefer to say that I saw something that I didn’t recognize. If someone asks me if I saw a UFO, I’ll say no — but rather — I just didn’t recognize what it was, even if it was moving through the sky.

However, I haven’t seen any objects that have concerned me enough, in terms of them not being identified when I saw them. I see too many things that I can’t identify and I just take that as “life” — it’s just the way it goes.

I see a flash of light, it could be a flash in a camera going off, lightning in the sky, or a car headlight swinging by me when I wasn’t looking, someone with a big hand-held spotlight and a bunch of other stuff. It’s not alien lights, for sure... LOL...

I see too much of that and, still, I don’t ever recall seeing a UFO in the popular sense.

I hear noises in the sky at times. It could be a number of things. One time I heard big booms over the hills (quite a large and repetitive noise, over several minutes). Fortunately for my “understanding” of what was going on, I happened to know that I was about 30 or so miles away from a U.S. Army Ammunition Depot... :-) If I hadn’t known that and I was more suspicious of things, I might think it was something related to “UFOs” (doncha know...).

I hear noises in the house, and creaks and groans. I basically ignore them. Houses are noisy. I see shadows sometimes, moving just out of my eyesight. But, at other times, I catch them in “just enough time” to identify them as a common object moving (perhaps a bird flew by the window and the sun was shining in and it made a quick moving shadow in the living room..., stuff like that happens all the time).

If I were worried about every single thing I couldn’t identify all during the day (and there are *lots* of them happening, all the time) I would go crazy, and think “the world is coming to an end”.

Now, the world may be coming to an end, but it’s not the creaks and groans of my house, or the flashing lights I see, or the booms I hear or the shadows that flit by, out of the corner of my eye — that are going to cause it... LOL...

Nope, the world (or this current “age”) is coming to an end, when Jesus Christ returns to this earth and sets up His Kingdom and rules over all the nations of the world (and that won’t have anything to do with the lights I see and the shadows flitting by, and the booms that I hear...).

[mkjessup]

The FAA and the military were unable to debunk what happened to that JAL airliner and the KC-135, why don't you take a swing at it, eh genius?
I'll tell you this, like global warming and other fantasies, if there were anything even remotely true to these "sightings", our confiscatory federal government would be doing everything in its power to turn it into a colossal cash cow by the scaring the public into opening their wallet.

Irrelevant. Let it be noted that topcat54 is unable to debunk the JAL and/or the KC-135 incident mentioned in the previous post by TaraP.

We got some bluster and some low grade BS about our 'confiscatory federal government', but the JAL and KC-135 incidents remain unexplained.

[Star Traveler]

You were saying to topcat54 — “had a father who was a Korean War fighter pilot who had a UFO encounter”

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And that makes me wonder what those pilots in World War 2 thought when they saw the first jet planes that the Germans had, when they zipped by the Allied planes. That must have scared them half-to-death seeing those for the first time, too... LOL...

[mkjessup]

"My suspicions [emphasis mine, mkj] that this UFO might be a bright celestial body were prompted by the fact that the pilot reported seeing the object for more than 30 minutes," [Philip J.] Klass said.

LOL, oh you're funny, invoking the career debunker Klass who is going to try and say that HE knows more about what happened up in the air, than the professional experienced pilots who actually observed the phenomenon. THAT is desperation pal.

"Past experience has shown that when a UFO remains visible for many minutes, it almost always proves to be a celestial object."

Klass is again, speculating. He doesn't know.

Another clue was the fact that when Flight 1628 descended 4,000 ft., the UFO still appeared to be at the airliner's altitude. At Jupiter's great distance, a change of 4,000 ft., the UFO still appeared to be at the airliner's altitude. At Jupiter's great distance, a change of 4,000 ft. in aircraft altitude would produce no noticeable change in the planet's apparent altitude. (CSICOP News Release 01-22-1987)

Care to explain how both military and civilian air traffic controllers were able to pick up the planet Jupiter on their RADAR, genius?

Where did the FAA and military officially attempt to “debunk” the incident, genius?

They didn't. And as suspicious as you are of our confiscatory federal government, you ought to know that if they had been able to, they would have.

But they didn't.

And THAT is why the two incidents remain unexplained, your limp attempts at debunking notwithstanding, not to mention Klass the Klown.

[silverleaf]

Oh, having been in intelligence I can asure you they had gotten some briefings about future technologies even if they hadn’t seen the technology in action

remember the guys who had “the right stuff” had a lot of clues about what was possible in aviation

The thing about pilots (and others in aviation like the tower personnel who witnessed a giant UFO over a dock at
O’Hare airport in November a few yaears ago)...

they can look at a craft in motion and tell you if the laws of physics (or whatever) physically “allow” a pilot or craft to do what they are seeing it do.

the universal theme of those who report UFO’s (many don’t because ridicule and intimdation are the usual responses) ) is that what they see is incompatible with the known laws of physics. That is what the JAL pilot is saying on his conversation with the Alaska tower. “Hey, they can’t DO that???”

[silverleaf]

Youjnknnow what is most convincing to me on that tape? The tone of voice by those military pilots talking to the tower...and the answer they got

They had obviously been briefed about what happened to JAL

[silverleaf]

unfortunately my father NEVER told anyone what he had seen except my mother

he knew guys who reported these things ended up getting debriefed endlessly by spooks and shrinks and maybe losing their jobs, and he did love to fly

and she never told me until several years ago at a funeral

[Star Traveler]

You asked — “Has anyone else had a UFO sighting?”

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Well, there was one time that I went to the Trinity site on the White Sands Missile range, in New Mexico. It was a day or two later, and while seeing the sights and other things around in the area (like the VLA, the Very Large Array, for example, http://www.vla.nrao.edu/ ), I was driving by the front gate for entering the Trinity site, and it was late at night and I stopped off the side of the road to see the night sky and just look around — and then I saw some weird looking lights off in the distance over the White Sands Missile range.

Hey, I don’t know what it was, and it seemed like it was moving in my direction and not moving in a very straight line, either... LOL... It was sort of ominous looking and I just didn’t feel like sticking around to see what it looked like when it got closer, so I hopped in the car and drove back to the hotel in Socorro... LOL...

Was it a UFO — nahhh..., I don’t think so — it was just a light in the sky moving around and I didn’t know what it was, and I didn’t stick around to find out, either... :-)

Oh..., and I did head over to Roswell, in the next day or two after that, to check out things, there, too... :-) They’ve got a nice little UFO Museum there, and all sorts of UFO paraphernalia.

[Quix]

SOP FOR SOME NAYSAYERS! LOL.

I need to finish this stuff again now that lunch is over and get back to the pottery lab.

[Quix]

Stanton Friedman demonstrated repeatedly what an idiot Klass was.

Besides, IIRC, Klass was a paid government shill.

[topcat54]

Care to explain how both military and civilian air traffic controllers were able to pick up the planet Jupiter on their RADAR, genius?

What the radar purposted to have shown was inconclusive. The radar reflections, whetever they were, were not even in the area where the pilot claimed he saw the "mothership". They were behind the 747 in an area where the folks on the flightdeck could not see.

They didn't.

That was becuase there was nothing to debunk.

[Star Traveler]

Hi Quix, you were saying — “FACED WITH SOLID INCONTROVERTIBLE FACTS”

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The problem I have with this kind of stuff is not the fact of a bunch of people seeing something — but rather — *what* it is that they are seeing. That’s more important to me and it’s simply “unidentified” — and there are *no facts* as to what various things are, which happen to be seen from time to time. The only “facts” (it seems to this day) is simply in the area of “something was seen”... and that’s about it.

And so, the “rest of it” — is not “fact” but a whole bunch of speculation about what it actually is that was seen. That’s what is *not fact* — in all these matters.

Now, you know what I think they are, but I’m not bringing that up here. And I’ve been catching myself up on all sorts of other theories and “speculations” as to what others think these things are.

I don’t think they are aliens from other advanced space civilizations coming here to visit earth and happen to be sighted by earthlings, as they flit about, from here to there. AND, for that — there is *absolutely no proof* or facts on that particular speculation. That’s the speculation that I’m resistant to — not the fact of “seeing something”...

[Quix]

INDEED.

[Quix]

YUP! INDEED!

However, facts like that don’t influence the brain dead, the willfully blind and those lacking ears to hear and eyes to see.

[wolfcreek]

Maybe Barry too.

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/baracksoetorofamilyphoto16sep08.shtml

[evets]

"A spaceship?"

[Quix]

INTERESTING.

Rather congruent with all I know.