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Did Canada's Universal Health Care Kill Natasha Richardson?
American Spectator ^ | March 21, 2009 | Matthew Vadum

Posted on 03/21/2009 6:45:53 AM PDT by vadum

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To: vadum
The short answer is yes, it may very well have done so.

BS, what would be the cost of heath care in any country where every time you stubbed your toe you ran down and had an MRI???

41 posted on 03/21/2009 7:53:26 AM PDT by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: TommyDale

NO! Defending an Incompitent Socialist Medical System that the Canadians themselves say “STINKS!” is Stupid and Arrogant! We who have been saved by Helicopters and Our Great American Doctors and Health care CAN SPEAK with Authority! Thank you very Much!:-P


42 posted on 03/21/2009 7:55:02 AM PDT by True Republican Patriot (GOD BLESS AMERICA and Our Great President George W. Bush)
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To: skipper18
Infant mortality and life expectancy are both inextricably linked to the amount of and quality of health care people are receiving.

Actually health education, public health measures (like sanitary sewers) and the way people live at home have more to do with that than what most think of as "healthcare".

43 posted on 03/21/2009 7:55:51 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Popman
Not to mention a large portion are from third world countries.
44 posted on 03/21/2009 7:56:13 AM PDT by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: A_Tradition_Continues
The majority of hospitals in the USA do not have neurosurgeons on staff. Why should the Canadian hospitals?

That's why you need the helicopters, to get patients who need neurosurgeons to facilities that have them, and the necessary support equipment and staff.

45 posted on 03/21/2009 7:57:27 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: True Republican Patriot
NO! Defending an Incompitent Socialist Medical System that the Canadians themselves say “STINKS!” is Stupid and Arrogant! We who have been saved by Helicopters and Our Great American Doctors and Health care CAN SPEAK with Authority! Thank you very Much!:-P

You are correct, now everyone please step in the rubber bubble and you will always be safe from harm. Sac Off

46 posted on 03/21/2009 7:58:17 AM PDT by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: bubman

A person who has acute trauma to the brain may think they ae fine
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It’s quite possible she didn’t realize she hit her head during the tumble. If I’m understanding you correctly, you’re assuming she did.


47 posted on 03/21/2009 8:00:16 AM PDT by JavaJumpy
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To: vadum

I don’t know if she could have been saved had she been in the US.

But I do know that any country who has a 10 month waiting period for pregant women is no country I ever want to live in.

Women have had to leave Canada and come to the US to have their babies because the beds up there were all full.
That never happens here.


48 posted on 03/21/2009 8:00:19 AM PDT by JRochelle (Don't smoke the Hopium.)
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To: b4its2late

It’ a long way from Tremblant to Monteal, Probably 2+ hours buy ambulance


49 posted on 03/21/2009 8:02:50 AM PDT by VTenigma
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To: vadum
Hospital Hell (Dan Aykroyd on Socialized Medicine)
New York Post (FR Thread) 11-19-2003 | Richard Johnson

Posted on 11/20/2003 3:15:45 AM EST by Lancey Howard

November 19, 2003 -- DAN Aykroyd is no fan of the bureaucratic bungling and cut-rate care of socialized medicine. "One place you don't want to get sick is Quebec," the Canadian actor advised us after a screening of Denys Arcand's 'The Barbarian Invasions.' "It's all socialized. Believe me, you don't want to go to a hospital there."

50 posted on 03/21/2009 8:03:53 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: skipper18
But to argue that their system ‘kills people’ is nonsense when more of their babies survive and then they live longer. Infant mortality and life expectancy are both inextricably linked to the amount of and quality of health care people are recieving.

If you look at the demographic makeup of Canada, and then pull out the same subset from US demographics, you will see that your statement doesn't hold water.

What brings down the numbers in the USA isn't related to quality of health care, but that we have 40 million people, mostly 3rd worlders, in the country that are of foreign extraction (as in, they are not native born Americans). Many of the Mexicans have a 6th-grade education, if that, and pre-natal care etc. is not up to snuff.

51 posted on 03/21/2009 8:05:26 AM PDT by ikka (Brother, you asked for it!)
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To: mkjessup
She Refused the EMT's. Later when she felt a headache she went to the hospital FOR TREATMENT. She walked in and was conscious. The hospital did not add trauma, headache, and a deteriorating condition as a serious problem. It did not do an MRI probably because it didn't have one. Canadian socialized medicine is just not up to private care. Defending it is STUPID. ****BUMP**** Well said FRiend.

Actually she didn't walk in and she did have a CT scan.

52 posted on 03/21/2009 8:11:10 AM PDT by Snowyman
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To: Popman

Before you blame socialism, which will only work in heaven and is not practiced there given the parable of the talents, study the statistics on deaths and medical problems caused by going into ANY hospital or doctors office. I always wash my hands after going there. :)

The CDC has wonderful info. Doesn’t matter how much money you have or how good your surgeon is—like the bacteria that saved the world in War of the Worlds...


53 posted on 03/21/2009 8:13:36 AM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: Snowyman

The question remains, why did her husband (Liam Neeson) make the decision to have her moved from Quebec to New York?

Was it to hopefully receive superior care, or because she was already clinically dead?

I can appreciate either decision, certainly the one to receive superior care, and especially the desire not to officially die in a place like that godforsaken Quebec.


54 posted on 03/21/2009 8:14:07 AM PDT by mkjessup (You're either with our Constitution, or you are with TKU ("The Kenyan Usurper"). CHOOSE!!!)
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To: bubman
what is aleady?

Already someone is saying the option to refuse medical treatment should not exist. We're not talking about an unconscious person here, so that's just a red herring.

And yes, it is a waste. All recreation accidents/deaths are a waste, since the people need not have taken those risks in the first place. One can imagine a "perfect" system, in which everyone takes advantage of every possible medical option, and every possible option, no matter how expensive or rarely used, is immediately available to anyone, anywhere, at any time. However, this does not not make the injured un-injured or the dead un-dead, in the real world.

55 posted on 03/21/2009 8:17:45 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("I always expect the worst from the RATS and they always deliver." ~ rrrod)
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To: JavaJumpy

Exactly, she may have thought she was fine and dismissed requiring additional treatment but the injuries were more severe than expected.


56 posted on 03/21/2009 8:20:51 AM PDT by bubman
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To: JavaJumpy
Thank you for the clarification on the autopsy.....

All is know is that two children no longer have a mom, a husband no longer has his wife and a mom has to bury her daughter....sad all the way around....

Yes, it is easy to say coulda, shoulda, woulda after the fact while sitting in front of computer

57 posted on 03/21/2009 8:21:14 AM PDT by Kimmers (Working hard so Obamas friends don't have to)
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To: Tax-chick

Sorry, TC, that doesn’t wash. Suppose she decided to admit herself. There would have been no head trauma neurosurgeon or life-flite helicopter available because of health-care rationing. It may not have directly killed her, but it certainly has killed many people who would have been saved under the U.S. health care system.


58 posted on 03/21/2009 8:21:52 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
It may not have directly killed her, but it certainly has killed many people who would have been saved under the U.S. health care system.

Yes, that's so, as far as we know.

59 posted on 03/21/2009 8:24:00 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("I always expect the worst from the RATS and they always deliver." ~ rrrod)
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To: Tax-chick
It seems many here support "forced" socialized medicine they just want to call it something else.
60 posted on 03/21/2009 8:24:06 AM PDT by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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