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Scale of Serbian Cluster Bomb Problem Revealed for First Time
Serbian Media Center. Belgrade ^ | March 10, 2009 | Norwegian People's Aid

Posted on 03/11/2009 5:32:33 AM PDT by Ravnagora

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To: SQUID
The only hope for Serbs is God.

I think that this one simple truth applies to all of us.

What still amazes me, no matter how many times it shows itself, is the extent to which people have lost their fear of God.

The bombing of Serbia in 1999 coincided, I believe, with the 50th anniversary of NATO.

What a lovely way to celebrate and to "prove" one's viability as an organization.

21 posted on 03/11/2009 6:00:38 PM PDT by Ravnagora
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To: Ravnagora
1) See #15 and #17.

2) If you intend any disrespect to the men and women of the United States Air Force, you're perfectly welcome to fuck yourself.

22 posted on 03/11/2009 6:03:51 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
ArrogantBustard said:

If you intend any disrespect to the men and women of the United States Air Force, you're perfectly welcome to fuck yourself.

I do not intend, nor will ever intend, any disrespect to the men and women of the United States Air Force. As a matter of fact, I've written extensively about the USAF, and ALWAYS with respect. There is nothing in my posting that reflects disrespect on any level.

Most ironically, it has been members of the United States Air Force who have publicly spoken out in defense of the Serbs and just how good an ally they have been to America through the years.

Thank you for your sentiments. I will take the high road.

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23 posted on 03/11/2009 6:33:30 PM PDT by Ravnagora
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To: Ravnagora
You wrote:

How brave to bomb from the sky!

Now ... I can't read your mind, only your words as printed on a computer screen. In context, that appears (to me) to be a snide, sarcastic, backhanded slap implying that USAF are cowards. It is the sort of thing I expect to see (having seen it many times) from stinking, unwashed, communist hippies who haven't a clue as to the meaning or nature of courage and honour.

Please clarify exactly what you meant by that comment.

24 posted on 03/11/2009 6:42:48 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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Now ... I can't read your mind, only your words as printed on a computer screen. In context, that appears (to me) to be a snide, sarcastic, backhanded slap implying that USAF are cowards. It is the sort of thing I expect to see (having seen it many times) from stinking, unwashed, communist hippies who haven't a clue as to the meaning or nature of courage and honour.

Now that I know what you are referring to, I completely understand why you made the comment that you did. On the surface, you are right - my comment "How brave to bomb from the sky!" WAS sarcastic and intended as such. I'm glad that you're giving me an opportunity to clarify, because I can certainly see how that can be taken as an insult to the USAF.

I assure you that my comment was not meant as an affront to the USAF and I apologize if it was interpreted that way. I was directing my comment to the politicians and policy makers who issued the directive to bomb from the sky, as opposed to sending ground troops in to fight face to face with the Serbs. My comment was directed at NATO, not the USAF.

Bombing a country and a people, including the civilians, from the sky is not a brave act as it was carried out in March 1999 against Serbia. I hope you understand what I'm saying. These "bombers" were attacking "easy targets" and they weren't faced with an opposing air force, such as when the U.S. or the Allies faced the German air force "face to face" in the sky in WWII. There's a difference, at least from this civilian's perspective. Please help me understand how it could be considered "courageous" (and I mean that sincerely, without sarcasm.)

For me, in the context of the bombing campaign against Serbia in 1999, it was the Serbs on the ground, both the military and the civilians, who were the courageous ones.

I hope you understand. And I agree with you 100 percent about those people who disparage the U.S. Military as being critics who have no clue about the meaning or nature of courage and honour. I feel that same way about those who disparage Law Enforcement Officers as well.

I think this is an important discussion. Thanks for the opportunity. It was extremely difficult for this American to reconcile what was happening in 1999, being a person who felt loyal to BOTH sides of that conflict. Talk about being "torn"...

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25 posted on 03/11/2009 7:03:12 PM PDT by Ravnagora
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To: Ravnagora

Briefly, a bomber force faces two threats from the enemy: interceptors, and AAA/SAMS. There may not be the “face to face combat” of WWI (which was already disappearing in WWII), but that doesn’t mean it isn’t real combat with two sides doing their best to kill each other. A modern air defense network (even without interceptors) is lethal. If its operators are competent, anyway.


26 posted on 03/11/2009 7:15:14 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Ravnagora
Well, my friend, there is one certainty for all of us and you know what that is. Once that takes place we will be judged on our character not by history but by God Himself. We can write all the greatest things for the sake of our legacies, but He won't be reading those stories.

When He sent His Son He sent Him as a servant. The next time He comes He will come as Master. At that point the time for forgiveness will be over. All the works of men will be revealed. Then He will teach us what true justice, power and authority really is.

27 posted on 03/12/2009 7:01:57 AM PDT by SQUID
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To: ArrogantBustard

What kind of asinine reply is that?


28 posted on 03/12/2009 8:13:56 PM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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Read #26 and that will most likely explain the mentality underlying your question.
29 posted on 03/12/2009 11:19:05 PM PDT by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: Ravnagora
These bombs are nasty. In fact a UN Court jailed a Serb (Milan Martic) for 30 years for launching these cluster bombs in the heavily populated Zagreb:

"Also on the 5 th of May 1995 , in a meeting with the United Nations Special Envoy Yasushi Akashi, Milan Martić stated, in response to Yasushi Akashi's condemnation of the attacks, that " [ h ] ad I not ordered the rocket attacks [ . ] they would have continued to bomb our cities". Milan Martić then proceeded to threaten to resume the attacks if their conditions were not met. Milan Martić spoke of "massive rocket attacks on Zagreb which would leave 100,000 people dead.""

http://www.un.org/icty/pressreal/2007/pr1162e-summary.htm

30 posted on 03/13/2009 6:58:10 AM PDT by nameless-fool (Dobrica Cosic: "Lying is a trait of our patriotism and the proof of our innate intelligence.")
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To: Ravnagora

“How brave to bomb from the sky!”

I guess subterranean bombing would have been preferable.


31 posted on 03/13/2009 7:03:23 AM PDT by verity ("Lord, what fools we mortals be!")
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Where is that archaeological evidence I asked you to produce or are going to continually chicken out?


32 posted on 03/13/2009 7:22:33 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: Ravnagora
That photo is from Nellis AFB bombing range. It is in Nevada.
33 posted on 03/13/2009 7:27:20 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Why?)
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To: montyspython
Where is that archaeological evidence I asked you to produce or are going to continually chicken out?

Serbs deny Srebrenica with all those pictures and even video, yet you expect me to try to convince you with archeological evidence that your 'Jerusalem' was inhabited by Albanians long before you were chased out of Carpathian Mountains /Russia.

Where did the Albanians come from? Tell us, it's easier that way.

34 posted on 03/13/2009 7:31:34 AM PDT by nameless-fool (Dobrica Cosic: "Lying is a trait of our patriotism and the proof of our innate intelligence.")
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So, when are you going to produce it?


35 posted on 03/13/2009 1:53:58 PM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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