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Failure hits Nasa's 'CO2 hunter' (Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO) crashes near Antarctica)
BBC News ^ | 2/24 | BBC

Posted on 02/24/2009 8:53:19 AM PST by NormsRevenge

Nasa's first dedicated mission to measure carbon dioxide from space has failed following a rocket malfunction.

Officials said the fairing - the part of the rocket which covers the satellite on top of the launcher - did not separate properly.

Data indicates the spacecraft crashed into the ocean near Antarctica.

The Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO) was intended to help pinpoint the key locations on our planet's surface where CO2 is being emitted and absorbed.

Nasa officials confirmed the loss of the satellite at a press conference held at 1300 GMT.

John Brunschwyler, from Orbital Sciences Corporation, the rocket's manufacturer, told journalists: "Our whole team, at a very personal level, is very disappointed in the events of this morning."

He added: "The fairing has considerable weight relative to the portion of the vehicle that's flying. So when it separates off, you get a jump in acceleration. We did not have that jump in acceleration.

"As a direct result of carrying that extra weight, we could not make orbit."

'Mishap' board

The $270m (£190m) mission was launched on a Taurus XL - the smallest ground-launched rocket currently in use by the US space agency.

Since its debut in 1994, this type of rocket has flown eight times, with six successes and two failures including this launch. But this is the first time Nasa has used the Taurus XL.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhoenvironment; carbon; failure; nasa; observatory; oco; satellites
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I am bitterly disappointed about the loss of OCO

Dr Paul Palmer, University of Edinburgh

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pass me my hanky.

1 posted on 02/24/2009 8:53:19 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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Act of God 8-?


2 posted on 02/24/2009 8:53:54 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed.)
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To: NormsRevenge
The controls on the global warming satellite froze up?
3 posted on 02/24/2009 8:54:52 AM PST by dblshot
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To: NormsRevenge

How ironic that it should end up in South Polar waters...................


4 posted on 02/24/2009 8:55:35 AM PST by Red Badger (Zimbabwe has removed 12 zeroes from its currency. We need to remove ONE from the White House......)
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To: NormsRevenge
Wait for it...

...Bush's fault. /sarc
5 posted on 02/24/2009 8:56:55 AM PST by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: NormsRevenge

LOL... They would have perverted the data anyhow or thrown it out if it infringed on their Global Warming theories

No Global Warming means the lot of them are out on the streets looking for real work


6 posted on 02/24/2009 8:57:14 AM PST by dennisw (Archimedes--- Give me a place to stand, and I will move the Earth)
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To: NormsRevenge

HA-HA!......................

7 posted on 02/24/2009 8:58:10 AM PST by Red Badger (Zimbabwe has removed 12 zeroes from its currency. We need to remove ONE from the White House......)
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To: NormsRevenge

Hey....what about the environmental impact (literally) of this crash? Nice irony.


8 posted on 02/24/2009 8:58:34 AM PST by edpc
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To: NormsRevenge

**I am bitterly disappointed about the loss of OCO**

Change it from OCO ...to ... BS1

Yo, Perfesser.. if that gadget worked well and HONESTLY... you’d have to Find ANOTHER JOB... but it CRASHED ...

COINCIDENCE????


9 posted on 02/24/2009 8:58:53 AM PST by gwilhelm56 (WE THE PEOPLE Demand TALK RADIO to be our 1st Amendment MEDIA WATCHDOG!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Related...

http://exposingtheleft.blogspot.com/2009/02/nasa-global-warming-satellite-lands-in.html


10 posted on 02/24/2009 8:59:09 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: NormsRevenge

Global warming is the cause.


11 posted on 02/24/2009 8:59:36 AM PST by GoforBroke
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To: NormsRevenge
There is no evidence that CO2 has ever caused significant warming on Earth, at least not when the concentrations were within 10-15 times of what they are today. Water vapor is, by far, the most important greenhouse gas in the Earth system. Water vapor accounts for about 95% of the greenhouse effect on Earth.

THE ACQUITTAL OF CARBON DIOXIDE
by Jeffrey A. Glassman, PhD

ABSTRACT:

"Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere [historically] is the product of oceanic respiration due to the well-known but under-appreciated solubility pump. Carbon dioxide rises out of warm ocean waters where it is added to the atmosphere. There it is mixed with residual and accidental CO2, and circulated, to be absorbed into the sink of the cold ocean waters. Next the thermohaline circulation carries the CO2-rich sea water deep into the ocean. A millennium later it appears at the surface in warm waters, saturated by lower pressure and higher temperature, to be exhausted back into the atmosphere. Throughout the past 420 millennia, comprising four interglacial periods, the Vostok record of atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration is imprinted with, and fully characterized by, the physics of the solubility of CO2 in water, along with the lag in the deep ocean circulation.

Notwithstanding that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, atmospheric carbon dioxide has neither caused nor amplified global temperature increases. Increased carbon dioxide has been an effect of global warming, not a cause. Technically, carbon dioxide is a lagging proxy for ocean temperatures. When global temperature, and along with it, ocean temperature rises, the physics of solubility causes atmospheric CO2 to increase.

If increases in carbon dioxide, or any other greenhouse gas, could have in turn raised global temperatures, the positive feedback would have been catastrophic. While the conditions for such a catastrophe were present in the Vostok record from natural causes, the runaway event did not occur. Carbon dioxide does not accumulate in the atmosphere."

http://www.rocketscientistsjournal.com/2006/10/co2_acquittal.html
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The graph above represents temperature and CO2 levels over the past 400,000 years. It is the same exact data Al Gore and the rest of the man-made global warmers refer to. The blue line is temps, the red, CO2 levels. The deep valleys represent 4 separate glaciation/ice-age periods. Look carefully at this historical relationship between temps and CO2 levels (the present is on the right hand side of the graph) and keep in mind that Gore claims this data is the 'proof' that CO2 has warmed the earth in the past. But does the data indeed show this? Nope. In fact, rising CO2 levels all throughout this 400,000-year period actually *followed* temperature increases -lagging behind by an average of 800 years! So it couldn't have been CO2 that got Earth out of these past glaciations. Yet Gore continually and dishonestly claims otherwise. Furthermore, the subsequent CO2 level increases due to dissolved CO2 being released from warming oceans, never did lead to additional warming, the so-called "run-away greenhouse effect" that Al Gore and his friends keep warning us about. In short, there is little if any evidence that CO2 had ever led to increased warming, at least not when the levels were within 10-15 times of what they are today. -ETL
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"The above chart shows the range of global temperature through the last 500 million years. There is no statistical correlation between the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere through the last 500 million years and the temperature record in this interval. In fact, one of the highest levels of carbon dioxide concentration occurred during a major ice age that occurred about 450 million years ago [Myr]. Carbon dioxide concentrations at that time were about 15 times higher than at present." [also see 180 million years ago, same thing happened]:
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=010405M
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So, greenhouse [effect] is all about carbon dioxide, right?

Wrong. The most important players on the greenhouse stage are water vapor and clouds [clouds of course aren't gas, but high level ones do act to trap heat from escaping, while low-lying cumulus clouds tend to reflect sunlight and thereby help cool the planet -etl]. Carbon dioxide has been increased to about 0.038% of the atmosphere (possibly from about 0.028% pre-Industrial Revolution) while water in its various forms ranges from 0% to 4% of the atmosphere and its properties vary by what form it is in and even at what altitude it is found in the atmosphere.

In simple terms the bulk of Earth's greenhouse effect is due to water vapor by virtue of its abundance. Water accounts for about 90% of the Earth's greenhouse effect -- perhaps 70% is due to water vapor and about 20% due to clouds (mostly water droplets), some estimates put water as high as 95% of Earth's total tropospheric greenhouse effect (e.g., Freidenreich and Ramaswamy, 'Solar Radiation Absorption by Carbon Dioxide, Overlap with Water, and a Parameterization for General Circulation Models,' Journal of Geophysical Research 98 (1993):7255-7264).

The remaining portion comes from carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, methane, ozone and miscellaneous other 'minor greenhouse gases.' As an example of the relative importance of water it should be noted that changes in the relative humidity on the order of 1.3-4% are equivalent to the effect of doubling CO2.

http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/
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Water Vapor Rules the Greenhouse System

Water vapor constitutes Earth's most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect (4). Interestingly, many 'facts and figures' regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold.

Water vapor is 99.999% of natural origin. Other atmospheric greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O), and miscellaneous other gases (CFC's, etc.), are also mostly of natural origin (except for the latter, which is mostly anthropogenic).

Human activities contribute slightly to greenhouse gas concentrations through farming, manufacturing, power generation, and transportation. However, these emissions are so dwarfed in comparison to emissions from natural sources we can do nothing about, that even the most costly efforts to limit human emissions would have a very small-- perhaps undetectable-- effect on global climate.

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
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Water Vapor Confirmed As Major Player In Climate Change

ScienceDaily (Nov. 18, 2008) — Water vapor is known to be Earth's most abundant greenhouse gas, but the extent of its contribution to global warming has been debated. Using recent NASA satellite data, researchers have estimated more precisely than ever the heat-trapping effect of water in the air, validating the role of the gas as a critical component of climate change.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081117193013.htm

12 posted on 02/24/2009 9:01:12 AM PST by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: NormsRevenge

I disagree, there is still ice in the Antarctic regions, so in that sense Mission Accomplished..LOL!


13 posted on 02/24/2009 9:01:21 AM PST by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: NormsRevenge

Hrrmmmm I just posted this yesterday:

“Pool starting: How many days after finding data that conflicts with man-made CO2 global warming will this satellite “fail” and burn up in the atmosphere?”

Ooops I didn’t do it.


14 posted on 02/24/2009 9:01:27 AM PST by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Breaking news from the Al Gore Institute of Hot Air and Noxious Emissions states that the research satellite rocket bounced off of the dense layer of CO2.


15 posted on 02/24/2009 9:01:31 AM PST by CarryingOn
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To: NormsRevenge

That’s gonna leave a carbon footprint!


16 posted on 02/24/2009 9:02:16 AM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Domandred

Course I was wrong since it never made it to orbit to find conflicting data.


17 posted on 02/24/2009 9:02:19 AM PST by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Too much CO2 in the fuel mixture, maybe?

;^)


18 posted on 02/24/2009 9:02:57 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: NormsRevenge

You know, do you think maybe it was shot down by those people who live inside the Earth up at the Poles?


19 posted on 02/24/2009 9:03:44 AM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: NormsRevenge

This information is in the story, but seemed to be buried: it was not immediately apparent to me that the OCO was lost 14 minutes after launch. From the initial paragraphs, I had the impression that it could have been in orbit for a few years before coming down. As far as I can see, they buried the lead.


20 posted on 02/24/2009 9:05:32 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (American Revolution II -- overdue)
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