Posted on 01/27/2009 2:50:20 PM PST by Cindy
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http://www.assistnews.net/Stories/2009/s09010177.htm
Tuesday, January 27, 2009
Egyptian Judge Tells of Desire to Kill Christian convert Bail granted to convert from Islam barred from legally changing religious ID
By Jeremy Reynalds Correspondent for ASSIST News Service
ISTANBUL (ANS) -- After her arrest at Cairo’s airport on Dec. 13 while attempting to flee anti-Christian hostilities in Egypt, convert Martha Samuel Makkar was granted bail on Jan. 24, but not before a judge took her aside and said he would like to kill her, according to her lawyer.
According to a story published by Compass Direct News, attorney Nadia Tawfiq said Judge Abdelaa Hashem questioned Makkar extensively about her Christian faith during the hearing.
Compass reported that Makkar, charged with forging identification documents, explained the reasons for her conversion, avowing her Christian faith and repudiating the judge’s claims that converting from Islam to Christianity was impossible.
“Then he said, ‘I want to talk with Martha alone,’ so we all left the room, and he said to her, ‘Nobody changes from Muslim to Christian – you are a Muslim,’” Tawfiq said. “And she said, ‘No, I am a Christian.’ He told her, ‘If I had a knife now, I would kill you.’ (Makkar) came out crying and depressed, but at least he gave the decision to let her go free.”
Compass said that Makkar, 24, had planned to escape the dangers she has faced in Egypt by traveling to Russia with her family. She said that since converting to Christianity five years ago, police and members of her extended family have threatened her continuously, the relatives vowing to kill her.
Compass reported that according to a Coptic rights group, airport security personnel had been notified of Makkar’s plans.
“They had both (her original and Christian) names and maybe a picture before she reached the airport,” said Helmy Guirguis, president of the UK Coptic Association. “They did not (arrest her) to apply the law, they did it because of hate for Muslims converting to Christianity. It is like a great occasion to go and arrest some poor lady like her in the airport.”
Compass said that after her arrest, Makkar was charged with carrying forged documents and taken to El-Nozha police station. Authorities also took her husband and two children into custody. The identification that Makkar carried listed her religion as Christian, and showed the name she had chosen for herself rather than her given name, Zainab Said Abdel-Aziz.
Legal conversion from Islam to Christianity by Muslim-born Egyptians, and gaining corresponding legitimate documents, is unprecedented in Egypt. Egyptian law does not provide for a means to legally change one’s religion on identification papers.
Compass said that according to Tawfiq, Makkar said authorities held her in a room at the airport, hit her and denied food to her children.
“People who convert to Christianity are treated exactly like terrorists,” said Guirguis of the UK Coptic Association.
Compass said he added, “This is not official policy, it’s not on paper, it’s not the law, but it’s what happens.”
Abuse from Police, Prisoners
Compass reported that before authorities took Makkar to prison, her two children, Morkes, 2, and Amanwael, 4, were handed over to family friends. Authorities took Makkar’s Christian husband, 32-year-old Fadl Thabet, to the national security office in Alexandria for questioning.
According to the Compass story, the prosecution office later ordered his release after testimony from Makkar, who claimed that Thabet did not know she was a convert. Despite this order, authorities did not release Thabet but instead placed him under “emergency arrest.” This form of incarceration requires no charges and provides no recourse to legal counsel. He remained in prison until Jan. 19.
Compass said authorities had also arrested George Abyad, 67, and Masood Guirges, 55, employees of the Coptic Orthodox Patriarchate in Alexandria, on suspicion of helping Makkar obtain false papers. The prosecution office ordered their release, along with that of Thabet, based on Makkar’s testimony.
Since Makkar’s arrest, Compass said, she has leveled allegations of sexual abuse and inappropriate behavior at police in the El-Nozha station, and at personnel of the national security office in Heliopolis. Makkar said she has also suffered at the hands of fellow inmates at Al-Qanata prison, where authorities later took her.
“She has some difficulty with the other prisoners in prison,” Tawfiq told Compass. “One of them kicked her and tried to kill her; one took the Bible and threw it on the floor, pushed her and tried to make her go back to Islam. But she is strong, she is strong.”
Compass said Makkar remained in pre-trial detention until Jan. 22, when she was briefly released on a bail of US $540. She was then rearrested after prosecutors filed an appeal. The appeal failed, and on Jan. 24, Makkar was allowed to return home to her husband and children pending trial.
Tawfiq and two other lawyers, Nabil Azmi and Magdy Shounda, will represent Makkar when her trial resumes before a different judge. Tawfiq, however, is not hopeful that they will face any less of a bias.
“I think it will be the same, because all the judges are Muslim and are naturally upset about that (conversion),” Compass reported she said.
Why would anyone want to be a muslim? If you were a Salesman trying to sell religions, this would be a pretty tough sell. I am a salesman, and I cannot see a Value Proposition here. Selling islam would be like trying to sell doggie-doo: there is no Value Proposition to drive the sale. None.
“Can you tell the part about the 72 raisins again?”
“He told her, ‘If I had a knife now, I would kill you.’”
Clearly the religion of the loving God I know.
(yes, sarcasm)
Which is why it is sold on the “buy my product or I kill you” method.
Worked for the mob.
> “Can you tell the part about the 72 raisins again?”
(grin!) 72 Virgins = 72 Mother-in-Laws and 72 wives nagging you to mow the lawn and take out the garbage and 72 credit card bills to freak out over each month for eternity and 72 PMS sessions to deal with with each full moon forever...
...no-thank-you! One is plenty.
In such circumstances, dealing with irrational and superstitious people, women, especially should adopt an interesting tack: pork fat based cosmetics.
Importantly, it does not have to be much, just a drop or two of bacon fat in their skin lotion—perfectly harmless. However, it might afford some degree of psychological protection against the fanatical.
As far as devout Muslims are concerned, that makes him an excellent and upstanding judge.
No rational human would willingly be a muslim.
BLOODY MUSLIM SAVAGES!!
):^(
The article said — Then he said, ‘I want to talk with Martha alone,’ so we all left the room, and he said to her, ‘Nobody changes from Muslim to Christian – you are a Muslim,’” Tawfiq said. “And she said, ‘No, I am a Christian.’ He told her, ‘If I had a knife now, I would kill you.’ (Makkar) came out crying and depressed, but at least he gave the decision to let her go free.”
What a liar that judge is. There are lots of converts to Christianity.
Can’t wait for the day when Jesus the Messiah of Israel returns and kills all the Muslims who are adherents to that evil religion of Islam. The first thing Jesus does on His return to this earth is to go to war against all the Muslims and kills them all (solves that problem real quick) and then goes back to Jerusalem and sets up His worldwide Kingdom ruling and reigning over all the nations of the world (with no more Muslims around, thank God...)...
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