"We were finding bodies of killed Serbs every morning" (in Kosovo)

Blic ^ | 1/5/09 | N. Vlaco

[Bokababe]

Rome – Mauro Del Vecchio, former General of Italian Army who led the unit of 7,000 soldiers that entered Kosovo in June of 1999 after end of NATO air strikes on Serbia told Italian ‘Panorama’ weekly that during the first three weeks of the mandate ‘reports on the found bodies of killed Serbs and Romas arrived on his table each morning’, but that was a taboo topic they were not allowed to speak about with journalists.

‘The killing continued later but not so frequently. Those that have not fled Kosovo were under permanent risk to be killed or raped. Deserted Serbian houses were leveled to the ground or set on fire. Albanians were attacking the churches and monasteries, too. Their goal was to erase every trace of the Serbian presence in Kosovo’, Del Vecchio said......

[Bokababe]

He is brave to speak out now, but would have been braver still had he spoken out back then when something more could have been done!

[Bokababe]

[sobieski]

Why don’t our neo con friends care about this ethnic cleansing? Is it b/c they are Orthodox?

[Mr. Jazzy]

But, but how can that be? The people of Kosovo are religious and practice the peace loving religion of ISLAM?!?!

(sarcasm off)

[nickcarraway]

So far, this story is only in the Serbian media? I couldn’t find any media outside Serbia reporting this story.

[1rudeboy]

Payback’s a bitch.

[Bokababe]

"So far, this story is only in the Serbian media? I couldn’t find any media outside Serbia reporting this story."

Yes. But "Blic" is Swiss-owned -- by Ringier AG.

[randomhero97]

Payback’s a bitch.

Please explain.

[Bokababe]

"Payback’s a bitch."

You should hope that it isn't rudeboy, because if what goes around really comes around, you'll have a lot of really bad karma coming back at you soon enough from the sadistic crap you dish out.

[elpadre]

“...but that was a taboo topic they were not allowed to speak about with journalists”

by whose command? - the NATO’s US commander?????
the one who was once a candidate for president??

[elpadre]

“...but that was a taboo topic they were not allowed to speak about with journalists”

by whose command? - the NATO’s US commander?????
the one who was once a candidate for president??

[1rudeboy]

Bad karma, huh? LOL Let’s talk about the Serbs.

[Mogwai]

How often has the US acted to protect any sort of Christians abroad from attack or oppression by non-Christians?

[Bokababe]

Actually, here is a page on Del Vecchio that refers to this interview with Italian Panorama Magazine on December 12th, but when you click on the link it doesn't take you that article. The article translates as "The Hidden Truth: The Slaughter of the Serbs"

[Fred Nerks]

Serbs, Muslims, Albanians, Croats and NATO: Who stood for what; who has done what and to whom?

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* “How, in 1999, the Pentagon Unwittingly Confessed that NATO Targeted Civilians in the Air War Against Serbia. Why did none of the many reporters who were present report it?”
by Jared Israel
http://emperors-clothes.com/docs/wald.htm

* “Kosovo Before 1989: Nightmare with the Best Intentions”
Interview
http://emperors-clothes.com/interviews/tika.htm

An interview with two Yugoslavs, one of whom, ironically, was in charge of fixing power equipment damaged by Albanian secessionist saboteurs in the 1980s. Explains the anti-Serb racism, made worse by an enforced silence, which prevailed in Serbia, the bastion of brotherly love, before 1989.

* The movie ‘JUDGMENT!’ shows how in 1992 a British news team doctored innocent fotos to sell the lie that the Bosnian Serbs were running death camps. Destroys the founding argument in the demonization of the Serbs.
http://www.emperors-clothes.com/film/judgment.htm

* “Newspaper articles on Kosovo published during the 1980s”
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/benworks/1980news.html

Reports on the conflict in Kosovo from the NY Times, London Economist, Washington Post, Reuters and other leading print media, published before the onset of the propaganda war against the Serbs.

* “Why Albanians Fled Kosovo during NATO Bombing”
An interview with Cedomir Prlincevic, formerly the Chief Archivist in Pristina (Kosovo)
http://emperors-clothes.com/interviews/keys.htm

In our second interview with Cedomir Prlincevic, he explains that NATO took advantage of unusual features of Albanian culture to use Albanians as a proxy force.

* “Who was Alija Izetbegovic?
Moderate ‘George Washington’ of Bosnia or Islamist Murderer?”
by Jared Israel
http://emperors-clothes.com/bosnia/izet.htm

Why did the US State Department and Iranian Foreign Ministry make virtually identical statements when this man, supposedly devoted to moderation and religious tolerance, died?

* “A Reporter’s Account of Evening Spent with the Commander of Bosnian Muslim Forces in Srebrenica”
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/oric.htm

The commander of the Islamist (’Bosnian government) forces in Srebrenica boasts of slaughtering Serb civilians in ways reminiscent of the Handzar division of the Waffen SS division during World War II.

* “U.S. & Iran: Enemies in Public, but Secret Allies in Terror: How the US and Iran worked together, supporting Islamist terror in Bosnia,”
by Jared Israel
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/deja.htm

Despite public acrimony, the US and Iran have areas of cooperation. Perhaps the best example is Yugoslavia. Why then the mutual denunciation? Because it’s good theater. Iran accuses the US of doing everything for Israel, a message calculated to incite Muslim audiences around the world and increase the strength of antisemitism in general and Muslim extremism in particular, which both the US and Iran foster for geopolitical ends.

* “A Rare Glimpse at the Reality of the Bosnian War”
by Jared Israel
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/gorazde.htm

* “NATO says The Hague Tribunal (or ICTY) belongs to NATO; according to the Tribunal, the two are partners...”
by Jared Israel
http://emperors-clothes.com/docs/tribdocs.htm

* “The Roma [’Gypsies’] and Racism in the Balkans”
by Jared Israel
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/burial.htm

The media has mis-described the relationship between Serbs and Roma (often called ‘Gypsies’) in Kosovo.

* “How the Roma View Serbia and the Serbs, and what it means,”
by Paul Kneisel
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/kneisel/RomaView.html

* “Milosevic’s Speech at Kosovo Field”
http://emperors-clothes.com/milo/milosaid.html

Those who vilify the Serbs claim that Milosevic made a viciously nationalist speech to a huge crowd in June 1989 in Kosovo. Read the speech and judge for yourself.

* “The Other Side of the Story,”
by Dusan Vilic and Bosko Todorovic
http://emperors-clothes.com/book/other.htm

Two Yugoslav Generals provide a point by point refutation of the claims made against the Yugoslav Army and Serbian security forces by The Hague Tribunal, in its indictment of Milosevic. Their detailed explanations, including documents, explain the theory and practice of the Yugoslav Army in fighting terrorism without targeting civilians.

http://www.emperors-clothes.com/yugo.htm#2

[Rippin]

neo con

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What the heck is a neocon? There was nothing ‘con’ about the idiocy in Kosovo.

Don’t bother explaining what Neocon means it doesn’t mean anything.

[Bokababe]

"Don’t bother explaining what Neocon means it doesn’t mean anything."

What the "con" stands for sure ain't "conservative"!

[Bokababe]

"Bad karma, huh? LOL Let’s talk about the Serbs."

Blabber on, I'll set the DVR and fast-forward to the parts where you make a fool of yourself. Oh, wait -- that would be the whole thing!

[Bokababe]

Wow Fred! Thanks! I am bookmarking that one!

BTW, re “Why Albanians Fled Kosovo during NATO Bombing” An interview with Cedomir Prlincevic, formerly the Chief Archivist in Pristina (Kosovo) -- Cedomir Prlincevic was the Chief Archivist of the Jewish community in Kosovo. He basically stated that NATO helped the Albanians drive him & the other non-Albanians out, and Albanians from Albania (not Kosovo) came in and took over their homes.

[TigersEye]

Karma is real I have no doubts. As regards Serbia I fear for the U.S..

[LjubivojeRadosavljevic]

Well, Fred, you've posted quite a bit here for any one individual to digest.

Allow me to summarize my thoughts on Milosevic:

Specifically, Milosevic's "original sin" was that he was a socialist (or Communist) who resisted the West's push (led mainly by Germany and the US) for the breakup of Yugoslavia as far back as 1989. He didn't want to subject Yugoslavia to the painful economic reforms of privatization, strict IMF rules, etc. that were afflicting so many of the other former Eastern-Bloc countries under communist rule.

Because of his resistance to the West, the western media painted the conflicts in the Balkans as a war of good (The Muslims) against evil (The Serbs). As such, and with strong media support, it was easy for the Clinton administration to stigmatize Serbia as a rogue nation.

That said, Milosevic was also a thief, he stole approximately 900K from the Yugoslav treasury.

[Bokababe]

"Karma is real I have no doubts. As regards Serbia I fear for the U.S.."

Me, too. I am an American. And when I fully digested the level of outright lies and propaganda we were being fed about the Balkans, my first reaction was, "What else are they lying to us about? If they could snow us on this, what else are they feeding us that we are swallowing & believing wholeheartedly?"

I haven't trusted the media or the DC machine since then, and given who was just made Secretary of State as a result of this last election, I am not so sure that I have much faith in the electorate these days either.

[TigersEye]

Fact Sheet: Extraordinary Rendition (12/6/2005)
ACLU.org

The current policy traces its roots to the administration of former President Bill Clinton.

The ACLU might lie about a lot of things but would they lie about that?

Did Leon Panetta know about 'extraordinary renditions' under Clinton?
Telegraph - Alex Spillius at Jan 6, 2009

But according to one former agent, Michael Scheuer, the extraordinary rendition programme that has so tainted the agency during the Bush administration actually began in the Clinton administration, when Panetta would, or should, have been fully aware of it.

So does he or doesn't he believe in "torturing" enemy combatants for information? There's no way to know for sure what 0 and his team will stand for or do. My hopes are not high that I will like it.

[Bokababe]

OK, I went nuts and finally found a copy of the original article & interview in Italy's Panorama magazine that this article refers to. It's here in Italian and in PDF form, complete with a few ghastly photos.

[Fred Nerks]

SOURCE Driven From Kosovo!

Interview with Čedomir Prlinčević, Director of Archives of Kosovo Province (Serbia), President of the Jewish Community in Priština, capital of Kosovo

Interviewers: Jared Israel, Editor Emperor’s Clothes Nancy Gust

[Posted 9 September 1999 * Re-posted with an introduction by Jared Israel, March 6, 2008] ------------------

The Emperor’s New Clothes Updated December 22, 2008LINK

[Smokin' Joe]

What the heck is a neocon?

Compound word? Neo="new", con="rip-off"?

[Shery]

Many tried to speak out, some even within the US military, but were deemed not politically correct.

[montyspython]

Yep, sure is... 911 d*ckhead.

[1rudeboy]

So now what? Do you win the internet? Or have you simply established why 98% of Americans cannot take Serbs seriously?

Why don't you guys run to Uncle Vladi for a hug? Oh, that's right, he's busy shutting-off your gas.

[McGruff]

This photo used to claim genocide by the Serbs,

always looked staged to me.

[montyspython]

Apparently idiots like you forget who killed 3000 Americans and what morons supported them. Thank God most people on FR are smarter than you.

[montyspython]

It was, forensics proved that already.

[1rudeboy]

Speaking of intelligence, how stupid does a Serb have to be in order to maneuver himself into a position where he becomes a distraction from a President getting "service" from an intern?

Think about it for a minute. A bunch of Muslims get together and start poking him in the eye, and he takes the fall for it . . . it looks like he could've taken a few lessons in PR before going off on his own jihad. Heck, he could've gotten some from the Muslims themselves, or even the Israelis. Or even the Kuwaitis.

Then, despite ample opportunities to revitalize his image, he squanders them all . . . culminating in choosing the wrong side in a war years later just to "stick it" to the U.S. And to top that, he expects to whine about it on an American internet forum. To get sympathy.

[Bokababe]

"Speaking of intelligence, how stupid does a Serb have to be in order to maneuver himself into a position where he becomes a distraction from a President getting "service" from an intern?"

And how "stupid does one need to be" not to notice that all you ever are is a spoiler to every thread? A half step above a complete troll? Even your FR page says, "No, I do not respect you. You spend far too much time here." to anyone who checks.

You aren't here to debate or discuss; you are here to take a dump. Do it on your own time to someone who deserves it. Christians who need armed guards to go to church on Christmas for fear of the Muslim terror we helped bring down on them, don't deserve it!

[1rudeboy]

And that's the thing: the Serbs portray themselves as victims (again, with the proper PR it would work), then proceed to act like idiots.

No one faults the typical Serb for acting in what he or she perceives to be the Serb national interest. It's just when that national interest devolves to gratuitous America-bashing (as happened during the Georgia crisis), the typical Serb should not be surprised he or she has a tough row to hoe.

[Deb]

Weird that someone would stand up and announce he knows nothing about a subject. Nice job.

[1rudeboy]

Where have you been, Deb? Nice to see you around. You've missed a lot since the Kosovo War. Our FR Serbs (for the most part) threw their lot in with Putin and Russia.

It was a tough (and unfortunate) spot the Serbs found themselves in, and they blew it . . . so much so that playing the relativism card no longer works.

[Bokababe]

"Many tried to speak out, some even within the US military, but were deemed not politically correct."

Yes, like the 30 year Navy vet who wrote to Julia Gorin, saying that he had removed his "Kosovo medal" and the Ex-Marine who Served as Cop in Kosovo who Decries Kosovo’s Religious Bigotry, Converts to Orthodoxy (if he'd converted to Islam, it would have made the 6PM news!).

The TRUTH should require a million dollar PR firm to get heard.

[Bokababe]

"Our FR Serbs (for the most part) threw their lot in with Putin and Russia."

I am an American, moron. And we drove the Serbs into Russia's arms.

[AuntB]

“The TRUTH should require a million dollar PR firm to get heard.”

Yep.

“A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.”
Mark Twain

[Deb]

It's hard to blame the Serbs since Bill Clinton decided he needed a distracting side-show from his wet-weenie problems and bombed an innocent people to smithereens. They got no support from anyone in the US for the past ten years. I don't blame them. What could they do?

The rise of the KLA and the trashing of a country that was our friend will be a historical disgrace we deserve.

[1rudeboy]

Don't get so touchy about, comrade. If you are American, then you weren't driven into anyone's arms. (Making your excuses that much more hollow).

Putin gave the Serbs (the ones here on FR that weren't banned) a royal opportunity to make a stand for what is right. If they had, it would have enabled them to take a moral stand on what happened years ago.

They blew it.

[Bokababe]

“The TRUTH should require a million dollar PR firm to get heard.”

My screw up -- should have read "The TRUTH shouldN'T require a million dollar PR firm to get heard.

And you are absolutely right about the Twain quote.

[Bokababe]

You really couldn't find your butt with a flashlight on this subject, but you just keep talking hoping that no one will notice.

Maybe you want to take people's mind off the fact that a NATO General just confessed that they were finding bodies of Serb civilians daily after Clinton's war, killed at the hands of the same Albanian Muslims who tried to pull off something similar against us at Ft Dix last year.

But what the hell, it's all about you, now isn't it?

[montyspython]

You are such a panzy, we pointed out that Putin outsmarted Saakashvili and how Bush stood there and did nothing. That's just pointing out the deficiencies in our foreign policy, not bashing America you moron.

But that's ok, you continue on with your stupidity and we will continue to laugh at you. Hope you didn't push that button for Obama too hard, wouldn't want you to damage your manicure you sissy.

[AuntB]

LOL...well, I read it the way you meant it, not the way you wrote it. It’s all good, sweetie.

[1rudeboy]

Putin outsmarted Saakashvili, yes. Bush did little, yes. And you cheered. And now you're having hotflashes because the Serbs don't get the respect they "deserve." Boo hoo.

I'll let you know if I ever need some advice on how to slaughter women and children, ya' big hero.

[1rudeboy]

Maybe you want to take people's mind off the fact that a NATO General just confessed that they were finding bodies of Serb civilians daily after Clinton's war, killed at the hands of the same Albanian Muslims who tried to pull off something similar against us at Ft Dix last year.

And for the third time, the Serbs were dealt a bad set of cards and instead of folding they tried to bluff the pot. And lost.

Now they expect to generate sympathy for themselves by lamenting their civilian casualties? Well, how about the ones they are responsible for themselves?

[Bokababe]

"LOL...well, I read it the way you meant it, not the way you wrote it. It’s all good, sweetie."

Ah, the power of intention! Or is it "great minds think alike"? ;) LOL!

[montyspython]

You're an idiot, but you knew that already so I won't waste my time espousing that truth any further. You pissed in the wind and now want to blame the wind for getting you wet.

"I'll let you know if I ever need some advice on how to slaughter women and children, ya' big hero."

Look no further than our own State Department, they helped enable terrorists, you simply reek of the afterbirth.