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Was this economic crisis planned?
World net Daily ^ | January 07, 2009 | Joseph farah

Posted on 01/06/2009 11:11:50 PM PST by Jet Jaguar

Barack Obama's White House chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, told business leaders assembled by the Wall Street Journal in November that the economic crisis facing the country is "an opportunity to do things you could not do before."

That has to be one of the most chilling statements I have ever heard uttered by an American political official in my lifetime.

It ranks right up there with the transparent arrogance of Clinton administration hotshot Paul Begala's July 1998 explanation of the use of executive orders by the president to go over the heads of Congress: "Stroke of the pen. Law of the land. Kinda cool."

But there was even more to this quote from Emanuel. He followed up that scary and yet candid statement with this: "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste."

Every so often, an insider among the power brokers in our establishment elite let's slip an extremely telling remark. I suspect Emanuel meant exactly what he said – though he probably wishes he could take it back.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cdss; econoterrorism; emanuel; financialcrisis; financialterrorism; obamatransitionfile; octobersurprise; rahmemanuel; schumer; septembersurprise; shortselling; soros; sorostm
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To: Terry Mross

I agree. How could such a small part of our population cause global fininacial decline???


21 posted on 01/07/2009 1:15:41 AM PST by DooDahhhh (AMEN)
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To: Jet Jaguar; All
May, 2007:

Obama_soros2_3_2

22 posted on 01/07/2009 1:15:42 AM PST by backhoe (All across America, the Lights are going out...)
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To: backhoe

Dear Gawd!


23 posted on 01/07/2009 1:17:21 AM PST by DooDahhhh (AMEN)
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To: WoofDog123; Eva
... the timing of the unraveling was so opportune that I find it suspicious, particularly since the CDS market provided a vehicle to pressure the stocks of certain financial firms (which could then be FTD/naked shorted), and get the ball rolling with Lehman and AIG.

Right "on the money", pardon the pun. The MBS/CDO, GSEs and CDS conditions were in place Bear Stearns was the trial run of short selling pressure and "run on the bank" by investment counterparties. Schumer's deliberate exposure of IndyMac (which could have been calmly offloaded by FDIC to other financial institutions the way Countrywide was to BofA and many smaller REITs were) was the prelude to generating consumer panic and test of consumers' "run on the bank". Lehman's and AIG failures after the attacks in early September on them along with Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs and others, proved to be the nail in the coffin and resulted in complete cash crunch and credit freeze and sky high loan rates spreads (LIBOR, TED).

Anatomy of Morgan Stanley Panic

Defusing the Credit-Default Swap Bomb

Lehman's Chaotic Bankruptcy Filing Destroyed Billions in Value

Consider just this fact:
$11T-$14T in total mortgage market - that’s subprime (less than $1.5T) plus Alt-A plus prime, entire market. Some estimates put the total securitized market (MBS / CDO) at $7T-$8T. There was estimated $60+T of "insurance" (CDS) on it. That's not a “house insurance", that's a fuse underneath it that was waiting to be lit.

24 posted on 01/07/2009 1:22:34 AM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: backhoe

I always thought Soros and his Marxist friends caused the big crash to make sure obama won.


25 posted on 01/07/2009 1:24:10 AM PST by mojitojoe
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To: DooDahhhh; Terry Mross

See post #24 for mechanism.


26 posted on 01/07/2009 1:24:37 AM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: DooDahhhh
Dear Gawd!

Yes, I call that the "man behind the curtain" moment. Soros is just one-- remember, he got rich by wrecking other countries currency.

But it's like I keep telling people:

"People get the kind of government

they want

and deserve..."

And no, the rest of us don't deserve it- but we are stuck with it, for "four more years..."

Damn it.

27 posted on 01/07/2009 1:25:42 AM PST by backhoe (All across America, the Lights are going out...)
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To: DooDahhhh

What’s really amazing is things are being said today that would have labeled us all kooks just a few years ago. A large number of people now trust nobody in the government and doubt nothing.


28 posted on 01/07/2009 1:28:32 AM PST by Terry Mross (Is this our last REAL Christmas?)
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To: Jet Jaguar
I think the Democrats are being given too much credit. The truth is, Democrats just aren't that smart. Barney Frank and his comrades played their part, in concert with Freddie and Fanny. You throw in some questionable securities and a housing bubble about to burst and you have enough sparks to create a decent flame.

All that was then needed was for the Fifth Column (The MSM) to fan those flames until we had a destructive economic fire burning out of control and a Marxist President with all the answers. This had less to do with the brilliance of Democrats and more to do with the unbridled stupidity and improbable credulity of the American electorate.

29 posted on 01/07/2009 1:33:37 AM PST by WildcatClan (AND THOSE DOESNT BRAIN JUST GO. ---- Cecile Noe)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Well at least it is nice to feel like I am not the only nut on the tree. I have felt this was a setup since it first started. I don’t know enough about high finances to even listen to a discussion, but I know a skunk when I smell one. It was just all too convenient, and I think the urgency that Bush displayed was an attempt to cut them off at the pass, but I don’t think he was able to get enough, fast enough to get er done.

I will not be surprised if everything is suddenly all better once the half white president takes office, but it is very possible that they too have lost control of it and we are in for one nasty ride.

With this pick for the head of the CIA today, it could be not only nasty but deadly. God help us.


30 posted on 01/07/2009 1:35:28 AM PST by Hanna548 (s)
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To: mojitojoe
I always thought Soros and his Marxist friends caused the big crash to make sure obama won.

That's how I see it. Pity the News Jackals were so busy covering non-events that it slipped by their radar.

31 posted on 01/07/2009 1:50:31 AM PST by backhoe (All across America, the Lights are going out...)
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To: All
Haha! Found the original:


Obama at fund-raiser at Steven and Judy Gluckstern's home, April 9, 2007. George Soros is seated to the right of the stairs. (Photo: Michael Edwards, NY Magazine)

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6,868 posted on Saturday, May 05, 2007

32 posted on 01/07/2009 1:52:29 AM PST by backhoe (All across America, the Lights are going out...)
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To: Terry Mross

There were just too many coincidences in gas prices, financial crises, etc. for it to be true. I think that the Democrats did anything thing they could muster to gain power. Maybe I’m fooling myself, too. But who in their right mind would want this doofas in office?


33 posted on 01/07/2009 1:55:02 AM PST by DooDahhhh (AMEN)
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To: elpinta

“Most likely, yes.”

In that scenario it would be a case of following the money and or subjugation.

What singular person would have the money, time, ego or organization to do so? No organization could contain such for long (even with media containment...)

I believe that this is more a culmination of situations brought about by many people whose ‘work’ overcame their senses. Ego v principles.

(legislators, business, speculators, unwitting voters, etc)..

Consider it an ongoing example of the Peter Principle; regardless of voter, legislator, or media. (or poster, me)


34 posted on 01/07/2009 2:00:01 AM PST by This_far
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To: Jet Jaguar

I wrote about this and already stated the this was setup to be the October surprise. Remember Carville saying “It’s the Ecnomy stupid”? Yes, this was planned from the beginning.


35 posted on 01/07/2009 2:08:28 AM PST by Paige ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing," Edmund Burke)
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To: ajay_kumar
The whole mess started by selling mortgages to folks who were not credit worthy. The mortgage brokers then sold the mortgage to Fannie May & Freddy Mac who were required by law to buy them. Fannie and Freddie then bundled those mortgages and sold them to all yield hungry investors as bonds.

On top of that home owners with good credit kept borrowing using appreciated house as collateral.

There was no central planning. Blame the politicians (all democrats) who backed Fannie & Freddie. Also blame people who borrowed and spent thinking the house prices would go up for ever.

The bubble always collapses in the end.

Although I am no conspiracy theorist, I feel that it is incorrect to assume that, just because something is complex and has the appearance of being chaotic, that it is indeed unplanned - especially when it comes to destroying a complex system.

Regards,

36 posted on 01/07/2009 2:16:10 AM PST by alexander_busek
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To: Jet Jaguar

In the 2009 Predictions thread, I said that this economic crisis will go away as quickly and mysteriously as it started.

I’m already seeing the first signs.


37 posted on 01/07/2009 2:19:47 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Jet Jaguar
The truth hurts.

This depression is brought to you by Hank Paulson, who, back when he headed Goldman/Sachs, prevailed upon Congress to repeal the Glass Steagall Act during the Clinton administration in 1998.

Glass Stegall was passed after Great Depression I to prevent the very collusion between commecial banks and investment banks that precipitated this crisis.

Now all of the investment banks have blown up due to high leverage and hedge funds are in the process of doing the same thing.

38 posted on 01/07/2009 2:28:02 AM PST by Vet_6780 ("I see debt people")
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To: Jet Jaguar

Biggest Oct. surprise yet and the stupid American voter fell for it.


39 posted on 01/07/2009 2:32:38 AM PST by bmwcyle (I have no President as of Jan 20th 2009. No Congress either.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
I’m already seeing the first signs.

Could you please elaborate on the signs you are seeing?

40 posted on 01/07/2009 2:43:33 AM PST by nicolezmomma
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