He said their HC system is as bad or worse than he ever heard or even imagined.
With regard to just living there day-to-day he said, "Being Canadian means standing in line."
Posted on 01/01/2009 8:11:15 AM PST by NoGrayZone
Edited on 01/01/2009 8:14:54 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Two EMT workers in Britain were arrested after they were heard allegedly discussing whether they should bother to resuscitate a disabled man who had collapsed at home and subsequently died.
Barry Baker, 59, who lived alone, dialed 911 saying that he thought he was having a heart attack. An ambulance was sent to his house while a controller kept him talking on the line.
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
National “Health Care” at its best. Yes, I said at its best. It only goes downhill from there.
In all of these articles about this subject, they never mention the nature of the victim’s disability, only that he was “disabled.”
Shoddy reporting.
Oh Man!! How often does this happen when it’s not recorded? The fruits of Darwinism.
He had recently had hip replacement surgery.
You said it!
File this under, another reason not to believe government and the people it employs, will act in your best interests.
THIS is what the Liberal Democrat Left has planned for America.
Britain is their model.
There was a whole lot more detail to the story and I remember talking to my friend about her Aunt while it was going on. I told her they are trying to kill her, none of what was taking place made any sense, except for that conclusion.
Long story short, she died, my friend now believes they “killed her”. Unfortunately, I believe “killing” the disabled and elderly has come to the USA.
God must be ticked off at such ruthlessness!
Shoddy reporting.
That's the fault of Fox news.
Much better article from the Time here...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article5420921.ece
This is his apparent disability.
Mr Baker, who used sticks to help to him walk after undergoing hip replacement surgery, made the emergency call to the South East Coast Ambulance Service headquarters in Lewes in the early hours of November 29.
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Absolutely disgusting what Britain has turned into.
Unfortunately, a lot of people in the US want us to be more like them.
No thanks!
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Unfortunately, it’s already here in the USA.
It just hasn’t fulling rolled downhill from Professors like Peter Singer
of Princeton U. to the average working Joe/Josephine.
Of course, Singer is something of a hypocrite...and it’s a good thing
his mother (afflicted with Alzheimers) is well-cared for by her son.
And Singer hasn’t (yet) decided his mum’s “quality of life” is so
low that she should be euthanized.
Hip replacement? That is what deemed this poor soul to “not worthy of saving”? Poor thing.
If the elderly or disabled have no voice (family who looks after them), they are as good as dead.
Thanks Obama and dems! But of course federal and many state government employees are covered for life (w/COLA adjustments) under a different program than the average citizen can get or afford if we could buy it.
Uhh, the article said he was complaining of chest pain! So what more did you think the story needed?
When BO’s government “healthcare” is instituted this will be standard procedure.
Terri Schiavo
So, not to detract from the horror of the story, but was he disabled or recovering from surgery? Because there is a big difference between the two, really.
And it won't stop with just infants or the disabled, either.
That made me throw up just a little in my mouth. Truly sickening, but coming soon, if not here already.
I’m not trying to take away from the story, but when a news story reports “disabled” they usually don’t mean “in need of medical help for an immediate condition.” They usually mean “permanently disabled.”
You see, truth be told, there are certain things that add to the horror of it all. If this person was in some way truly helpless and dependent on human compassion - like a child, mentally handicapped, or physically disabled - then it makes their act even more disgusting. It’s like when someone beats up an old lady or pushes someone out of their wheelchair. There’s a greater level of disdain for human life on the part of the attacker.
I’m not talking about “hate crime” kind of stuff. A crime is still a crime, but it takes an especially BAD person to victimize those that are partially or completely helpless.
Then about his hip surgery. Do either of those matter to the reason an ambulance should have been called? I don't get your gist.
I have made it perfectly clear to ALL people in my life, but just in case.....
NO GRAY ZONE WANTS TO LIVE. Don’t let ANYONE pull my plug!!!!
Okay, just a person doing to another person.... but these were trained and paid medics!!!!!! It is their JOB to take care of anyone who calls for service.
What can be less horrifying than that?
I find it more interesting the names of the two men arrested were not released. None of the UK papers provide the identity of the ambulance men.
Have you ever taken care of an older person who broke their hip? Have you known anybody who had to? It's usually downhill from there.
Aren't we ALL dependent on human compassion?
The Daily Mail gives more detail. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1103209/Pictured-The-disabled-man-left-die-paramedics-wasnt-worth-saving.html
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The two ambulancemen who reached Barry Baker and found him unconscious are said to have been caught on tape discussing not bothering to revive him.
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Minutes later astonished dispatch centre staff heard their crew enter the house, apparently making disparaging comments about the state of the home.
A police source, who asked not to be named, said the ambulancemen were then heard over the phone discussing Mr Baker and allegedly saying ‘words to the effect that he was not worth saving’.
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Mr Baker, who used sticks to walk after having hip replacement operations, made a 999 call in the early hours of November 29. He told the controller he had severe chest pains and the ambulance crew from Brighton was immediately sent to his home.
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There’s more at the link, including photos.
Unfortunately, I’ve seen this despicable attitude expressed time and time again by people who claim they “wouldn’t want to live like that.” Their answer is never to help improve the quality of the person’s life, but to end it by the most efficient means available.
Wow, so did I! I sure hope no one is standing just around the corner or in the next room discussing if I’m worthy to save should I go into cardiac arrest!
I heard in one newspaper that they made critical remarks about his untidy home. And that he walked with “sticks.”
These two eugenicists decided he was a slob and was living a Life Not Worth Living.
I wonder if their names are Obama and Daschle.
What difference is there, really? If he’s recovering from surgery, he’s worth saving, but if he’s going to remain disabled, he’s unworthy?
I’m wondering how often it happens behind closed doors. I’ll bet these medics are actually trained to make these decisions. Rationing is an inevitable result of “free” government anything.
Oh, I should have read all the posts before replying to your earlier post. This one answers my question.
This was occurring FAR earlier than Darwin, but the whole move away from respecting individuals’ rights means that it’s happening more often and without qualms.
The #1 focus must be on an individual’s own preferences, not what someone else wants for him.
I’ve had a disability all (for 48 years anyway) my life. What is the difference? Should I not receive equal medical care as you because I have a disability?
Decisions as to who lives and who dies are made every day in countries with nationalized health care.
I'd expand that. Once we put the destiny of an individual into the hands of others, he becomes nothing more than a pawn and a statistic. This culture MUST return to respecting individual's rights, including his preferences in health care.
I’m sure it would be a “different story” when it comes to THEIR lives!
Thank you!
“Rationing is an inevitable result of “free” government anything.”
I say we start rationing Walter Reed and Bethesda, only active military. NO Congress critters allowed. No former Chairmen of the Joint Chiefs, etc. a VA hospital is good enough for them if it’s good enough for the “troops.”
Medics Caught on Tape Allegedly Decided Disabled Man Not Worth Saving
I don't see what the big deal is here.(3)
These two *Undocumented Doctors* (Medics) where just doing what actual MDs do every day under 'England's' socialized medicine - oops National Healthcare Service Trust. They were proactive and performed 'Triage'(1)(2) to save the NHS trust a ton of money it doesn't have.
Triage
(1) The determination of priorities for action in an emergency. A system used to allocate a scarce commodity, such as food, only to those capable of deriving the greatest benefit from it.
(2) Triage is also performed every Friday Night in Big City Trauma Centers across the USA when the natives go on drive-by killing sprees or after a major fire or accident.
(3) sarcasm / OFF
I just sent this to one of my lease operators, he’s 56 and recovering from a hip replacement. He’s been home for 6 weeks now. He just sent an e-mail saying he’ll be back Monday. LOL
She had to wait a long time before the ambulance arrived. She found out that the medics had pulled over on the way to the hospital and took turns practicing on her aunt. Then they resuscitated her against her will.
Anyone who thinks patients--or their preferences--are respected should ask about investment opportunities with Bernie Madoff.
Didn’t hear this.
Was the guy long dead when they got there?
He was unconscious when they got there. Read further down the thread for more info.
If only they could catch Some Dude. Ask any of these trauma victims who shot them, and they'll tell you it was Mr. Dude. Also, minding your own business is the most dangerous thing you can do.
This is the outcome of a public policy that doesn’t firmly state that all life is of equal value. The left is so vulnerable in this way - they preach advocacy for the disabled yet they promote aborting babies who are less then perfect. Couple this with “right to die” activists, and it’s clear that respect for human life is diminishing.
This also illustrates the problem with people not having children and trusting the care in their old age to hired professionals who will never care about them as much as family might have. That wasn’t a problem when families remained geographically close and those who chose not to have children had brothers and sisters and nephews and nieces to keep an eye on them when they got old but small families don’t afford as many people that luxury.
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