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Caldecott fourth bore plan challenged by lawsuit
The San Jose Mercury News ^ | December 27, 2008 | Denis Cuff

Posted on 12/28/2008 1:04:49 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Color the brake lights red as the column of cars backs up from the Caldecott Tunnel, the often bottled-up gateway between Contra Costa and Alameda counties.

Color drivers' moods red as the congestion worsens over a span of 45 years.

Many drivers are looking forward to relief from a long-planned $420 million fourth bore of the Caldecott Tunnel, but a lawsuit by Alameda County neighborhood groups and a bicycling advocacy organization could delay the project scheduled to begin in the summer and finish in 2014.

A ruling on the lawsuit is expected soon from Alameda County Superior Court judge Frank Roesch.

Some Contra Costa residents and political leaders called the lawsuit a selfish and frivolous road block to obvious traffic relief.

"Will it help the environment if you keep traffic moving at 2 mph and spewing pollution," said Jim Sconza, a Lafayette resident who has driven the tunnel for nearly 50 years. "I'm very frustrated It seems Southern California can get highway projects done, but in Northern California we get stuck with years of delays and frivolous lawsuits."

Groups suing said their challenge isn't about stopping the tunnel expansion but getting Caltrans to recognize and provide relief for adverse effects of the project. Those include increasing noise for Highway 24 neighbors, adding more traffic to crowded streets near the freeway, and possibly inducing some people to abandon BART and return to commuting in autos as the tunnel becomes more free flowing.

"We're not trying to stop the project, but make it a better project," said Robert Rayburn, executive director of the East Bay Bicycle Coalition, one of the plaintiffs. "One problem with this project is that it's been just about moving cars, and doesn't consider other types of mobility."

(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: alamedacounty; bart; bayarea; ca; ca24; caldecotttunnel; california; commutes; congestion; contracostacounty; frivolouslawsuits; lawsuit; lawsuitabuse; noise; sh24; traffic

1 posted on 12/28/2008 1:04:51 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"We're not trying to stop the project, but make it a better project,"

Self canceling phrase...

2 posted on 12/28/2008 1:19:44 PM PST by tubebender (Retirement...The art and science of Killing time before it Kills you...)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
It's about cars.

We had this problem in Indianapolis. They ran I70 through residential areas without compensation to the people within the blastzone of the highway.

When they did the Super 70 project it was just more of the same, but less traffic (I noticed on a trip through the area since nobody I know lives next to the highway anymore).

People love their highways ~ they despise the people they damage with them.

I've often thought that if the folks living beside an Interstate quality road were given hunting licenses that qualified them to just pick off every ten thousandth driver with a high powered rifle from their rooftops that would change minds quick.

Make it all legal of course ~ no vigilante stuff ~ just a simple license like you might get to take deer or other wild game.

Fundamentally the public attitude as expressed by public officials responsible for constructing and maintaining these roads in residential areas is pretty primitive and we need to take drastic measures to bring them up to civilized standards ~ like PAY PEOPLE to move.

3 posted on 12/28/2008 1:20:35 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; NormsRevenge
and a bicycling advocacy organization

aka Communist Thugs on two wheels...

4 posted on 12/28/2008 1:22:43 PM PST by tubebender (Retirement...The art and science of Killing time before it Kills you...)
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To: tubebender
I agree, keep bicyclists off of my roads. Or Tax them by putting a GPS embedded in their skulls so that we can tax them $1.00 for each mile plus a license tax of 100% of the purchase price of the bike, plus mandatory insurance that will provide life long care for being run over when they gt in front of a car.

Also they will need a flag man walking in front of them to warn others of their coming, so the can get the tomatoes ready:-)

5 posted on 12/28/2008 1:30:26 PM PST by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"... it's been just about moving cars, and doesn't consider other types of mobility."

Pogo Sticks?


6 posted on 12/28/2008 1:37:27 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This is an early example of where all the money will go in Obama’s wet dream of spending on infrastructure.


7 posted on 12/28/2008 1:47:06 PM PST by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: stubernx98

Every bridge in NW Cal had to upgraded to provide a kiddie lane. It cost Billions and caused traffic delays and the funds came from the road tax...


8 posted on 12/28/2008 1:51:57 PM PST by tubebender (Retirement...The art and science of Killing time before it Kills you...)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
a bicycling advocacy organization

Let them bicycle all they want wherever and whenever they want.

In reality bikes have nothing to do with leftists attempting (once again) to run (and ruin) everyone else's life.

9 posted on 12/28/2008 1:52:50 PM PST by relictele
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To: muawiyah

Seek professional help. And that isn’t a joke.


10 posted on 12/28/2008 1:53:56 PM PST by relictele
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To: relictele

Two things. Obviously you’ve never lived next to an Interstate highway. Secondly, you are totally devoid of humor that has to do with your use of your automobile.


11 posted on 12/28/2008 1:59:22 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The Caldecott tunnel has needed expansion for at least thirty years, perhaps longer. Currently they use remote control dividers to switch the lane orientation to accommodate morning versus afternoon commuter traffic.
12 posted on 12/28/2008 1:59:51 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: tubebender
A "kiddie lane" or a "pedestrian path"?

Think how less expensive those bridges would have been (in the long run) if they'd been built originally as pedestrian accessible fixtures.

13 posted on 12/28/2008 2:00:40 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
These bridges are in the wilds of the outback. They might see five KIDDIES a year...
14 posted on 12/28/2008 2:18:10 PM PST by tubebender (Retirement...The art and science of Killing time before it Kills you...)
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To: muawiyah

Two things.

1) No, I made sure to obtain an education in the classroom and real-world sense ensuring that I would be able to choose housing away from such thoroughfares.

2) Your ‘joke’ is the item devoid of humor. Your reference was to voluntary shooting of total strangers. What a knee-slapper.


15 posted on 12/28/2008 2:20:55 PM PST by relictele
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To: Red_Devil 232

BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!


16 posted on 12/28/2008 2:33:16 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (This election gave the drunks the keys to the liquor cabinet!)
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To: relictele
Proving you are too unducated to comprehend what I said. The house was already there. The Indiana state highway department, in colusion with corrupt politicians, routed it though several residential neighborhoods they wanted to convert to industrial use for their friends.

The people in the path really didn't have much choice about it.

Plus, virtually all interstate highways that run through residential districts are operated improperly.

There is no public interest in changing the situation.

17 posted on 12/28/2008 2:34:13 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I have actually lived next to an interstate highway, as well as train tracks, and I got used to it. Admittedly, I haven’t lived near them when there was construction going on.


18 posted on 12/28/2008 2:36:28 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (This election gave the drunks the keys to the liquor cabinet!)
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To: muawiyah

How, in your view, would you operate an interstate “properly?”


19 posted on 12/28/2008 2:38:41 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (This election gave the drunks the keys to the liquor cabinet!)
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To: tubebender
The objective of the protestors is clear. They wish to minimize nearby freeway traffic elsewhere ~ one way is to make sure conditions at that tunnel are miserable.

I saw they had a fire there once. I couldn't help but observe that this "wilderness area" had a brushfire in the early 1990s that swept down and destroyed over 3,000 homes nearby.

Are you from Los Angeles perhaps?

20 posted on 12/28/2008 2:39:57 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
You are a fnn idiot. I said I live in NORTH WEST CALIFORNIA 250 miles north of the these tunnels which are in the Frisco bay area...
21 posted on 12/28/2008 2:44:21 PM PST by tubebender (Retirement...The art and science of Killing time before it Kills you...)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Through residential districts? I'd drop it down to 25 MPH. That almost eliminates the tire sounds from both cars and trucks. That would also reduce the traffic flow standard to a point where diversion onto other systems would occur.

No doubt that would heighten public interest in how and where their highways are routed. Tightening 5th Amendment standards a bit I'd pay triple the highest market price in the last 20 years for any residential property within 1 mile of the highway and allow those folks to move out with dignity.

One of the things the black activists who first opposed downtown Interstates didn't notice was that the preliminary routing that took those highways through old innercity neighborhoods had their start out in the suburbs where planners sought to avoid higher priced commercial property.

Basically corporate interests pushed a good deal of the environmental burden these highways created off on strictly residential areas filled with women, children and their own employees ~

Oh, yeah, and stop lights every 1/2 mile through any area with residentially zoned property.

22 posted on 12/28/2008 2:46:35 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
You have never lived but up against America's single busiest stretch of highway, I70 on the East Side of Indianapolis.

There's no comparing it to any other highway anywhere except maybe the Grand Trunk in India.

23 posted on 12/28/2008 2:48:00 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: tubebender
Thought you were talking about the physical structure of the interchanges and access roads leading to the tunnels under discussion, not rural bridges somewhere.

Besides, there are plenty of such bridges that should allow pedestrian access AND THEY DON'T!

24 posted on 12/28/2008 2:51:33 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Pedestrians are not allowed on freeways in Calif...


25 posted on 12/28/2008 2:56:34 PM PST by tubebender (Retirement...The art and science of Killing time before it Kills you...)
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To: tubebender
Alas, sometimes the Freeway bridge is the only one for miles.

Probably ought to change your rules ~ you know, kind of like the rules in California's cattel country where the cows have the right of way!

26 posted on 12/28/2008 3:00:32 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

In other words, it would cease being an interstate, which is apparently what you have in mind. I’d hate to see what you’d do to the railroad tracks near where I used to live.


27 posted on 12/28/2008 3:01:43 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (This election gave the drunks the keys to the liquor cabinet!)
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To: muawiyah

Dude, I-270 in Gaithersburg is plenty busy. However, you are right, the traffic is actually quieter when it jams up.


28 posted on 12/28/2008 3:03:23 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (This election gave the drunks the keys to the liquor cabinet!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
NO idea what I'd do to them, but I grew up between the Big Four Yard and the Beech Grove Yard.

They've since been moved out away from the city.

Again, all the designers have to do to solve the problem is to pay for the amount of right of way that's really needed. Then no one will care.

29 posted on 12/28/2008 3:03:40 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I've seen I-70 on the East Side slow down to 5 MPH and it's very quiet ~ almost civilized.

The point I'm making is that the drivers on that road should not benefit from my discomfort. Rather, it should be the other way around 'cause I was there first.

30 posted on 12/28/2008 3:05:32 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Wonder if they destroyed my favorite (1968-ish) parking spot with the third bore.

Orinda side, west bound; take the access road, and curve up and over the tunnel entrance. Large, secluded parking area to, uhh, erm, watch the pretty lights of the traffic.

To leave, continue around, down opposite side access road, and back onto east bound lanes.


31 posted on 12/28/2008 3:14:39 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: muawiyah; Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"Again, all the designers TAXPAYERS have to do to solve the problem is to pay for the amount of right of way that's really needed."

Think so? Just ask all the folks whose homes are bulldozed to create your "sound buffer"...

32 posted on 12/28/2008 4:13:12 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: TXnMA
When you have the house nearest to the highway there are NO houses that get bulldozed for the soundbuffer. If they do, they should get just compensation ~ and the guy who finds himself surrounded by overwhelming noise and exhaust pollution should also get just compensation.

Road right of ways should not be stolen through failure to purchase sufficient property to accommodate the way the road will be operated.

33 posted on 12/28/2008 8:18:26 PM PST by muawiyah
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