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To: FoxPro
Help me out here.

Almost every comment blames the SEC.

Does the SEC actually regulate hedge funds?

Madoff’s Ponzi scheme is a hedge fund, correct?

Also, I suspect the SEC receives hundreds of “hot tip” memos like this each month.

I suspect most of those “hot tip” memos are written by people who hope to win a SEC bounty, or by people with an ax to grind, or by people who are mentally deranged.

I suspect only a few percent of those “hot tip” memos have any factual basis at all.

I suspect a low level staffer read through the Markopolis memo, made some phone calls, heard that “Madoff is OK,” or heard that “Markopolis is a kook,” wrote down that info, then filed the memo away.

This strikes me as classic, after the fact, cherry picking.

Find me any great American catastrophe in the last 100 years, and I'll find you a memo that predicted it in almost flawless detail.

I also have begun to doubt the $50 billion price tag on this fraud.

It's been two weeks now, and the disclosed investments are still under $25 billion.

I mean, Bernie has been lying for 20 years.

Suddenly, he tells the exact truth about how much money he lost?

Maybe.

39 posted on 12/27/2008 2:06:52 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen
Good points.

>>Does the SEC actually regulate hedge funds?<<

Not really, except indirectly, through their trades in public markets (monitoring for illegal activity, manipulation, etc.) but not internals, audits or trading systems. Not the case with Madoff’s fund operations, though he did run his own ECM and even paid for “order flow” which could have alerted SEC that it's a potential front running operation - which is illegal and ECNs, like all exchanges, are under purview of SEC. So they could start investigating him from that side of “the Street”. Though ECNs didn't come into the picture until late 1990s, he still had run a trading operation - whether before he started Ponzi scheme or after remains to be learned.

Mary Shapiro, who is coming in as head of SEC, has been CEO of (NGO) FINRA, which has can do more vigilance and “oversight” of hedge funds than SEC.

>>Also, I suspect the SEC receives hundreds of “hot tip” memos like this each month. ... I suspect most of those “hot tip” memos are written by people who hope to win a SEC bounty, or by people with an ax to grind, or by people who are mentally deranged.<<

Also, often short sellers send letters for SEC to investigate the company where they have built a short interest in, hoping that investigation or the notice of complaint itself will help their short position, whether there really is something wrong with the company or not.

>>I suspect a low level staffer read through the Markopolis memo, made some phone calls, heard that “Madoff is OK,” <<

That's what really needs to be investigated - the trail of the document to particular bureaucrat(s) that reviewed the letter(s) and what, if any, involvement of high ranking Democrats friendly or with financial ties to Madoff. I assume that, just like in most other government agencies and Departments, most bureaucrats and staffers are Democrats.

>>I also have begun to doubt the $50 billion price tag on this fraud. ... It's been two weeks now, and the disclosed investments are still under $25 billion.<<

Well, more seems to be coming from Europe every week, and the approximately $50B figure over 20+ years of operation, may include redemptions which have not been reinvested back, as well as possible “offshoring” of some money from the funds, whether for Madoff himself or on behalf of some investors.

>>Suddenly, he tells the exact truth about how much money he lost? ... Maybe.<<

He might not know exactly, himself. But it's a good round number, and probably close enough to the truth, give or take a few billion dollars.

42 posted on 12/27/2008 3:22:37 AM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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