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More are moving out of California than in
Los Angeles Times ^ | December 18, 2008

Posted on 12/19/2008 11:40:44 PM PST by Lorianne

They said, "Go west," but many Californians are going north and east.

For the fourth year in a row, more residents left the Golden State than moved here from other states, according to a report released Wednesday by the California Department of Finance.

The outflow -- last seen during the economic and social struggles of the 1990s -- started when it became too expensive for most people to buy homes in the state, and has kept going throughout the bust with the loss of so many jobs.

The trend underscores the state's sour economy as layoffs continue, the fiscal strain on government grows and home values continue to decline.

Though more births and rising international immigration helped boost California's population a modest 1.16% last year, the state continued its steady stream of domestic out-migration -- the movement to other states of people who live here.

During the last fiscal year, 135,173 more people moved out of California than moved in from other states. Though just a drop in the bucket for a state of 38 million people, the trend remains significant because such declines usually occur when working Californians decide better opportunities lie elsewhere.

"I just gave up," said Grace Bryant, a former Glendora resident who fled to Texas after 18 months without consistent employment as a residential appraiser. "California is too much of a struggle."

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; californistan; liberalhellhole; votingwiththeifeet
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No worries, they'll make up the number leaving by immigration.
1 posted on 12/19/2008 11:40:44 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
California liberals drove me out. I haven't regretted leaving - the state is a mess and is circling the drain.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 12/19/2008 11:42:08 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Lorianne

Most of the blue states are in very similar situations both politically and economically. I’m now more concerned about the entire U.S. soon becoming a third world banana republic with no end in sight. Both the Fairness Doctrine and amnesty for illegal immigrants will profoundly suppress U.S. conservatism for a very long time, if not forever. A serious and successful civil war throughout the U.S. would bring conservatism back to life big time.


3 posted on 12/19/2008 11:48:39 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (Conservatives obey the rules. Leftists cheat. Who probably has the political advantage?)
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To: Lorianne

And the morons in government want to raise taxes higher and higher... And add to the endless regulation...

And they wonder why we are bankrupt...

Stupid is as stupid does...


4 posted on 12/20/2008 12:18:01 AM PST by DB
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I think it’s just about time to undock Texas from the fast-sinking Federal ship.


5 posted on 12/20/2008 12:19:47 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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“I think it’s just about time to undock Texas from the fast-sinking Federal ship”


As a Texan stuck in California, I hope that you succeed.

Texas is the non-California.


6 posted on 12/20/2008 12:27:32 AM PST by ansel12 ( When a conservative pundit mocks Wasilla, he's mocking conservatism as it's actually lived.)
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To: Lorianne
"...it became too expensive for most people to buy homes in the state... "

So - logically thinking...if the obamaites hate the rich, and think the rich should pay more taxes, and everyone in california is so rich that the housing prices keeps the "little people" out, then why to californians so in love with obama and the left...they are essentially the "target" he has identified to exploit?

Liberalism IS a mental disease...first goes logic and common sense, and then they vote for democRATS.
7 posted on 12/20/2008 12:39:25 AM PST by FrankR (“Turtle up”, economically, for the duration of the 0bamanation.)
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To: Lorianne

Amazing, eh? Like the UK, such a hip and trendy place, with all the right, cool, fashionable ideas... None of that old-fashioned, religious crap... and yet the people are moving out. I haven’t been to California in decades, but I have noticed the UK. In theory, with all their advanced, fair, cross-dressing, gay, trans-gendered, animal-protecting, abortion-on-demand, politically correct legislation, at this point they should be the closest thing humanly possible to Shangrilà.

Well, at least the Brits have the lousy weather as an excuse, but California of California Dreamin’?

So much for societies legislating their way to bliss.


8 posted on 12/20/2008 12:56:45 AM PST by Mancolicani
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To: DB

“Stupid is as stupid does...”

Don’t blame the politicians. They are thieves.

It’s the poeple who continue to vote for them who are the idiots.


9 posted on 12/20/2008 2:39:42 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("Control the information, you control the people.")
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Can’t argue with that...


10 posted on 12/20/2008 2:49:02 AM PST by DB
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To: Lorianne

Not to mention that most of them are high wage earners who can afford to leave; Those who hold up the tax base and support the remainder of those dead-beats who are still moving in for a free ride.

California will soon drop like a fly in a Raid factory.


11 posted on 12/20/2008 2:54:52 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (WHAT? Where did my tag line go?)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore

You been in South Florida or from Los Angeles south to below San Diego? They both already are banana republics.


12 posted on 12/20/2008 3:52:17 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: DB
We should start a national program to renounce the debt.
If the world finds out that the hardcore 10% will not service any new government debt after such and such date, then the governments will have to pay higher rates to borrow due to risk default. Which , by the way, is going up for the US anyways.

Debts are taxes on future generations that didn't vote, and did not get the jobs or services.

Young people are seriously screwed.
Schools that are worse for them then no schools at all.
Soon to be paying the pensions, SS, Medicare of us old people that they will never get.

Soldiers and prostitutes are their future. Another option is the Atlas Shrugged, which is happening now. As people retract from the economy, willingly or not, the turn over in sales slows down and money doesn't come into the gasping maw of the state. Ditto hours worked, decreased property values. On the other end, more people are collecting from the gunpoint schemes of unemployment taxes, and various assistance that the lovely state has promised. So, less in, more out, more borrow. Seeing this, the government has decided to.....borrow yet more, to get us out of our crippling debt. Debt is the critical point. Lastly, we may not have to do anything at all. After all this we may finally get our Dictator, our 'Lincoln'.

13 posted on 12/20/2008 4:04:33 AM PST by Leisler
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To: Lorianne

It’s liberals escaping a liberal state and bringing their liberalism to make other states liberal, too.


14 posted on 12/20/2008 4:08:38 AM PST by ScottinVA (islam IS the problem!)
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To: Lorianne

And Kali continues, with amazing success solving NV’s budget problems, and Ariz. and Utah’s and Colos’, and N.M.’S AND Monts’ and Idahos’ and Ore.s’ And Fla.s’ and Tex.s’ etc. etc. etc.


15 posted on 12/20/2008 4:16:55 AM PST by Waco (Oath? What oath?)
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""It’s liberals escaping a liberal state and bringing their liberalism to make other states liberal, too.""

That is the first thing I thought when I seen this thread..God Help US...

16 posted on 12/20/2008 4:46:49 AM PST by just me (Children should be educated and instructed in the principles of freedom. (John Adams)
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To: Lorianne
This is a trend that's happening in other areas of the country as well. The Northeast has been on the losing end as many long time resident taxpayers are leaving for greener pastures to be replaced primarily by immigrants many who are illegal with little education or work skills. This out migration matters little when you look at the numbers for any given year but if this trend continues for a significant period of time you can't help but have an erosion of the tax base combined with the additional strain on governmental services entailed with a large immigrant population. This process feeds on itself. As more and more immigrants enter, more and more long time residents leave, taking their incomes with them. It's my opinion that generous social benefits, i.e. medicaid, wic, food stamps, welfare act as a magnet drawing in immigrants.
17 posted on 12/20/2008 4:55:40 AM PST by RU88 (The false messiah can not change water into wine any more than he can get unity from diversity.)
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To: Lorianne

We were part of the “first wave”, leaving Kali fornia in 1992.

I love the phrase “international immigration”!! Must be a new LA Times description for illegals.

hh


18 posted on 12/20/2008 5:02:31 AM PST by hoosier hick (Note to RINOs: We need "a choice not an echo"... (Barry Goldwater))
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To: Lorianne

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/taxes.asp


19 posted on 12/20/2008 5:22:51 AM PST by radar101
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More are moving out of California than in

More taxpayers are moving out of California than in.

There, I fixed it :)

20 posted on 12/20/2008 5:26:12 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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