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Third Way or Third Reich?
http://www.frontpagemag.com ^ | Thursday, June 22, 2000 | Richard Poe

Posted on 12/16/2008 10:57:43 AM PST by rvoitier

During the collapse of the Soviet Empire, Mikhail Gorbachev promoted the so-called "Third Way" as an alternative to free markets. This new way of governing would be neither capitalist nor communist, but something in between. In a similar vein, President Clinton said in his 1998 State of the Union address, "We have moved past the sterile debate between those who say government is the enemy and those who say government is the answer. My fellow Americans, we have found a Third Way." This Third Way calls for business and government to join hands as "partners." As Clinton told the Economic Club of Detroit in February 2002, "We are working with business to use technology, research and market incentives to meet national goals. Some have called this political philosophy the Third Way." In short, Big Business would own the economy (as under capitalism), while Big Government would run it (as under socialism). Corporations would be persuaded to comply with government directives through subsidies, tax breaks, customized legislation, and other special privileges.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: 2manylaws; 2muchgovernment; 2muchregulation; mises; richardpoe; vonmises
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1 posted on 12/16/2008 10:57:46 AM PST by rvoitier
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To: rvoitier

“business and government to join hands as “partners.””

Gee, sounds like fascism.


2 posted on 12/16/2008 11:01:30 AM PST by nominal
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To: nominal

Just remember that Government is always the senior partner & everything will be OK.


3 posted on 12/16/2008 11:03:23 AM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: nominal

“Well, that settles it. That’s good enough for me! The solution, as I see it, is for me to work harder!” (As Boxer in Animal Farm)

NOT!


4 posted on 12/16/2008 11:03:52 AM PST by griswold3
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To: rvoitier
Hitler was a big Third Way guy too. I'll pass on this one...

I've noted a lot of the self-righteous moderate voters in this country also promote a third way kind of philosophy. If this country ever destroys itself, it will be done in by leftists with the willing support of the self-righteous center.
5 posted on 12/16/2008 11:05:40 AM PST by JamesP81 (Let the Great RINO Hunt of 2009 begin)
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To: nominal
It is fascism. Mussolini would be very proud of Hank Paulson.
6 posted on 12/16/2008 11:06:47 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: Tallguy; griswold3

lol

oh man.

I think it was Mark Twain who said ‘history doesn’t repeat itself, but it sure rhymes.’.


7 posted on 12/16/2008 11:07:38 AM PST by nominal
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To: Mr. Jeeves

if Paulson gains some weight, he might even look like him


8 posted on 12/16/2008 11:08:40 AM PST by nominal
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To: Toddsterpatriot; Mase; expat_panama

Pat Buchanan signed-on a little too quickly for my taste.


9 posted on 12/16/2008 11:09:00 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: rvoitier

Mussolin’s corporate state, which is what Roosevelt’s Braintrust wanted to impose onf the USA. Fortunately, Roosevelt had no ruling economic principles and simply went from left to right as politics demanded.


10 posted on 12/16/2008 11:09:27 AM PST by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: nominal
Gee, sounds like fascism.

Sure does, but...

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11 posted on 12/16/2008 11:10:47 AM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: sionnsar

lol very Progressive!


12 posted on 12/16/2008 11:13:14 AM PST by nominal
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To: rvoitier

That’s been done, too. It’s called Fascism.


13 posted on 12/16/2008 11:13:24 AM PST by FrdmLvr (What fresh hell is this?)
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To: rvoitier

The “Third Way” is nothing but Potemkin Village socialism. Big collective corporations are protected, small business is extinguished and herded into the big collectives. The big collectives have a facade of private ownership but are really operated by government regulation. Economic policy is worked out by central planning. They are not permitted to fail, nor can they cut jobs. Their policy. The collectives become inefficient, but government subsidies and tariffs “maintain” their status quo. The employees can’t get ahead and on the other hand, they can’t get fired either. So they have no incentive to work hard, and just show up to get their meager paycheck and go home to their drab gray apartment blocks.

No wonder it failed in the USSR/CIS. And it will fail here, too.


14 posted on 12/16/2008 11:16:04 AM PST by henkster (Welcome to the Union of Socialist States of America. You are ordered to enjoy your stay.)
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To: rvoitier

Here is the truth of the matter form Ludwig Von Mises Institute:

In 1944, Ludwig von Mises published one of his least-known masterworks: Omnipotent Government: The Rise of the Total State and Total War. Drawing on his prewar experience in Vienna, watching the rise of the national socialists in Germany (the Nazis), who would eventually take over his own homeland, he set out to draw parallels between the Russian and German experience with socialism.

It was common in those days, as it is in ours, to identify the Communists as leftist and the Nazis as rightists, as if they stood on opposite ends of the ideological spectrum. But Mises knew differently. They both sported the same ideological pedigree of socialism. “The German and Russian systems of socialism have in common the fact that the government has full control of the means of production. It decides what shall be produced and how. It allots to each individual a share of consumer’s goods for his consumption.”

The difference between the systems, wrote Mises, is that the German pattern “maintains private ownership of the means of production and keeps the appearance of ordinary prices, wages, and markets.” But in fact the government directs production decisions, curbs entrepreneurship and the labor market, and determines wages and interest rates by central authority. “Market exchange,” says Mises, “is only a sham.”

Mises’s account is confirmed by a remarkable book that appeared in 1939, published by Vanguard Press in New York City (and unfortunately out of print today). It is The Vampire Economy: Doing Business Under Fascism by Guenter Reimann, then a 35-year old German writer. Through contacts with German business owners, Reimann documented how the “monster machine” of the Nazis crushed the autonomy of the private sector through onerous regulations, harsh inspections, and the threat of confiscatory fines for petty offenses.

“Industrialists were visited by state auditors who had strict orders to examine the balance sheets and all bookkeeping entries of the company or individual businessman for the preceding two, three or more years until some error or false entry was found,” explains Reimann. “The slightest formal mistake was punished with tremendous penalties. A fine of millions of marks was imposed for a single bookkeeping error.”

Reimann quotes from a businessman’s letter: “You have no idea how far state control goes and how much power the Nazi representatives have over our work. The worst of it is that they are so ignorant. These Nazi radicals think of nothing except ‘distributing the wealth.’ Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.

“While state representatives are busily engaged in investigating and interfering, our agents and salesmen are handicapped because they never know whether or not a sale at a higher price will mean denunciation as a ‘profiteer’ or ‘saboteur,’ followed by a prison sentence. You cannot imagine how taxation has increased. Yet everyone is afraid to complain. Everywhere there is a growing undercurrent of bitterness. Everyone has his doubts about the system, unless he is very young, very stupid, or is bound to it by the privileges he enjoys.

“There are terrible times coming. If only I had succeeded in smuggling out $10,000 or even $5,000, I would leave Germany with my family. Business friends of mine are convinced that it will be the turn of the ‘white Jews’ (which means us, Aryan businessmen) after the Jews have been expropriated. The difference between this and the Russian system is much less than you think, despite the fact that we are still independent businessmen.”

As Mises says, “independent” only in a decorous sense. Under fascism, explains this businessman, the capitalist “must be servile to the representatives of the state” and “must not insist on rights, and must not behave as if his private property rights were still sacred.” It’s the businessman, characteristically independent, who is “most likely to get into trouble with the Gestapo for having grumbled incautiously.”

“Of all businessmen, the small shopkeeper is the one most under control and most at the mercy of the party,” recounts Reimann. “The party man, whose good will he must have, does not live in faraway Berlin; he lives right next door or right around the corner. This local Hitler gets a report every day on what is discussed in Herr Schultz’s bakery and Herr Schmidt’s butcher shop. He would regard these men as ‘enemies of the state’ if they complained too much. That would mean, at the very least, the cutting of their quota of scarce and hence highly desirable goods, and it might mean the loss of their business licenses. Small shopkeepers and artisans are not to grumble.”

“Officials, trained only to obey orders, have neither the desire, the equipment, nor the vision to modify rules to suit individual situations,” Reimann explains. “The state bureaucrats, therefore, apply these laws rigidly and mechanically, without regard for the vital interests of essential parts of the national economy. Their only incentive to modify the letter of the law is in bribes from businessmen, who for their part use bribery as their only means of obtaining relief from a rigidity which they find crippling.”

Says another businessman: “Each business move has become very complicated and is full of legal traps which the average businessman cannot determine because there are so many new decrees. All of us in business are constantly in fear of being penalized for the violation of some decree or law.”

Business owners, explains another entrepreneur, cannot exist without a “collaborator,” i.e., a “lawyer” with good contacts in the Nazi bureaucracy, one who “knows exactly how far you can circumvent the law.” Nazi officials, explains Reimann, “obtain money for themselves by merely taking it from capitalists who have funds available with which to purchase influence and protection,” paying for their protection “as did the helpless peasants of feudal days.”

“It has gotten to the point where I cannot talk even in my own factory,” laments a factory owner. “Accidentally, one of the workers overheard me grumbling about some new bureaucratic regulation and he immediately denounced me to the party and the Labor Front office.”

Reports another factory owner: “The greater part of the week I don’t see my factory at all. All this time I spend in visiting dozens of government commissions and offices in order to get raw materials I need. Then there are various tax problems to settle and I must have continual conferences and negotiations with the Price Commission. It sometimes seems as if I do nothing but that, and everywhere I go there are more leaders, party secretaries, and commissars to see.”

In this totalitarian paradigm, a businessman, declares a Nazi decree, “practices his functions primarily as a representative of the State, only secondarily for his own sake.” Complain, warns a Nazi directive, and “we shall take away the freedom still left you.”

In 1933, six years before Reimann’s book, Victor Klemperer, a Jewish academic in Dresden, made the following entry in his diary on February 21: “It is a disgrace that gets worse with every day that passes. And there’s not a sound from anyone. Everyone’s keeping his head down.”

It is impossible to escape the parallels between Guenter Reimann’s account of doing business under the Nazis and the “compassionate,” “responsible,” and regulated “capitalism” of today’s U.S. economy today. At least the German government was frank enough to give the right name to its system of economic control.

http://mises.org/story/47


15 posted on 12/16/2008 11:23:06 AM PST by stockpirate (Let's start by watering the tree of Liberty with the blood of tyrants. Sooner not later.)
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To: stockpirate

So it is already too late, they are in control.


16 posted on 12/16/2008 11:27:11 AM PST by stockpirate (Let's start by watering the tree of Liberty with the blood of tyrants. Sooner not later.)
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To: rvoitier
Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years.

At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.

17 posted on 12/16/2008 11:27:33 AM PST by absalom01 (So that one may walk in peace...)
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Think about this:

While the US government, using the US taxpayer, bails out billions to the scheming Money-is-God crowd of Bear Stearns, AIG, CitiBank, etc., it simultaneously, and surreptitiuosly, allows twenty million parasitic illegals into the Nation, who draw on all the taxpayer paid safety net services in place, hospital, schools, school lunches, to the call of helping "business."

Thus the honest (naive), law abiding, and working taxpayer, who struggles to maintain his competitiveness, i.e. night school, job changes, risk investment, second job, etc. in a brutal competitive world, is sacrificed to the scheming (and international) denizens of finance, and the invading hordes of bicamerals from the South.

And George Bush and the US Congress, the stupidest, most power hungry jerks in the Nation, call this "Management?" At the Suntrade Institute we do not think that is management, when the managers sacrifice the legitimate workers to the corrupt and parasitic.

This is the Third Way, and is the "way" of the Council on Foreign Relations. Exactly like Mikhail Gorbachev, these are the elitist people, who play with their ideas of controlling the masses, but who are themselves isolated from the consequences.

When one finally sees it one truly knows what sinister (the Left) means. My favorite is John D."Jay" Rockefeller IV. What have he, or "they" ever done at all? Have they written any code? Have they designed any bridges? Have they synthesized any pharmaceuticals? Have they invented any alternative vehicles? Have they taught any engineering courses? Have they given their own time in any slum? Have they driven a metro bus?

It is not surprising that Mikhail Gorbachev champions such a top-down manipulated "economy," raised through the experience of Communism, but if he comes to Virginia, We'll see if we can get him a position in the local salvage and recyling yard, at a fair wage. It might provide a little perspective on the "way" of economics.

Mikhail, please contact the Suntrade Institute, if interested.

19 posted on 12/16/2008 11:50:57 AM PST by jnsun (The LEFT: The need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer)
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To: Retain Mike

It’s a good thing Speer was not put in charge of German armaments in 1939.

Every single time central economic planning has been tried, it has ultimately failed. There is not ONE SINGLE example of it ever working, at any time, under any circumstances, anywhere.

Yet again and again it gets trotted out with a new coat of paint and promises that it will work “this time.”


20 posted on 12/16/2008 12:29:42 PM PST by henkster (Welcome to the Union of Socialist States of America. You are ordered to enjoy your stay.)
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