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Russian military retakes border village: Georgia
Reuters ^ | Sat Dec 13 | Reporting by Margarita Antidze and Matt Robinson; editing by Elizabeth Piper

Posted on 12/13/2008 6:07:22 AM PST by Grzegorz 246

TBILISI (Reuters) – Georgia said on Saturday hundreds of Russian soldiers had moved into a disputed Georgian village near breakaway South Ossetia and had pushed out Georgian police, fuelling fears of confrontation.

A regional police official and an interior ministry spokesman said between 500 and 600 Russian soldiers were in the village of Perevi, close to the de facto border with the region.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: geopolitics; georgia; ossetia; perevi; russia; russianthreat; southossetia

1 posted on 12/13/2008 6:07:22 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: onedoug; AnalogReigns; The_Media_never_lie; dixiebelle; voteNRA; valkyry1; Monkey Face; ...
Eastern European ping list

FRmail me to be added or removed from this Eastern European ping list

2 posted on 12/13/2008 6:09:46 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

Putie tried to Anschluss the Ukraine and is now getting away with pulling a Sudetenland in Georgia. He’s also begun pushing up on Poland.

Anyone else see a familiar pattern here? Especially in the craven, cowardly, pathetically weak reactions to his predations by the “western powers”?


3 posted on 12/13/2008 6:10:35 AM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Grzegorz 246

Maybe Obama can suggest a UN Councel meeting to stop it.


4 posted on 12/13/2008 6:23:33 AM PST by autumnraine
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To: Grzegorz 246

this scraes me with Obama the empty suit as POTUS.


6 posted on 12/13/2008 6:58:12 AM PST by NoObamaFightForConservatives
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
this scraes me with Obama the empty suit as POTUS.

Obviously it doesn't scare the Ruskies.

7 posted on 12/13/2008 6:59:28 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Grzegorz 246
....Call me if you need me..... Photobucket
8 posted on 12/13/2008 7:03:39 AM PST by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: Grzegorz 246
Let me guess,
the Georgian’s started it. /S

Their will be a whole slew of people along any minute to claim they did.

9 posted on 12/13/2008 7:05:41 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

This is just Putin’s openning salvo against little Barry and his perceived weakness as an incoming POTUS.

If you can’t stand up to Blago, how are you going to be able to stand up to Putin, BinLaden, ElCamisa Roja, the Dear Leader (in whatever hospital bed he’s in now), the Supreme Leader and his little pimp, and the mindless twit in Damascus?


10 posted on 12/13/2008 7:11:56 AM PST by AdvisorB (What did Obama's surrogates, Rahim and AdvisorB, offer Blago for the Obama Senate Seat?)
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To: Grzegorz 246

Inch by inch.


11 posted on 12/13/2008 7:17:25 AM PST by Repeal The 17th
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To: ExTexasRedhead; Ernest_at_the_Beach; F15Eagle; GOPJ; Munz; Quix; SandRat; SJackson; SolidWood

ping


12 posted on 12/13/2008 7:21:28 AM PST by Perdogg (01-20-2013 Obama's last day - If we survive)
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To: Perdogg

Just as we thought. Pooty-Poot laughs at the incoming Obama.

I figured he wasn’t done with Georgia. Now we have the community organizer coming up to bat.


13 posted on 12/13/2008 7:25:44 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: F15Eagle

I don’t think this is going to be anything to worry about. I don’t see a large scale invasion under way, but it is interesting that they would re-take a town that really has no strategic value. Maybe the Russians are calculating that with our economy in the dumps, our president-elect embroiled in a scandal, and our military stretched thin that it can get away with bullying smaller republics? Should be interesting to see how this Russia-Georgia scenario plays out.


14 posted on 12/13/2008 7:50:15 AM PST by 82ndABNOfficer
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To: Grimmy
Well, President-Elect Obama is a little tied up right now with his own “issues” and doesn't have time to deal with this big ole’ meanie.
15 posted on 12/13/2008 8:04:30 AM PST by 444Flyer (Sir, may I see your ID (birth certificate) please.)
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To: autumnraine

We bet he won’t pop up and say anything about this.


16 posted on 12/13/2008 8:05:26 AM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: Grzegorz 246

Obama: This is not the Putin I know, um er I had no contact with Putin, no I mean Putin is just a typical white person, um er what we need is change, and hope, er dang Bush’s fault!


17 posted on 12/13/2008 8:35:59 AM PST by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: Grzegorz 246

Goal: Drive up the price of oil.


18 posted on 12/13/2008 8:37:20 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("Free Trade" = Fire Americans. Buy another company then fire more Americans.)
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To: 82ndABNOfficer
"I don’t think this is going to be anything to worry about. I don’t see a large scale invasion under way, but it is interesting that they would re-take a town that really has no strategic value.

A really pathetic attempt by Pootin to run up oil and natural gas prices, nothing more and nothing less.

19 posted on 12/13/2008 8:52:31 AM PST by StAnDeliver (We Are Your Overlords.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
That's what I get for not scrolling to the end of the thread. You were first! *hat tip*
20 posted on 12/13/2008 8:53:51 AM PST by StAnDeliver (We Are Your Overlords.)
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To: StAnDeliver

Not at all.

Your post was far more eloquent. :)

This is troubling. Oil is a major geopolitical issue - certainly capable of starting wars. If KGB Putin is willing to drive the issue beyond influencing the oil supply to actually taking the oil supply by force, that’s a real mess.

I have to wonder what Obama’s teleprompter has to say about this?


21 posted on 12/13/2008 8:58:41 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("Free Trade" = Fire Americans. Buy another company then fire more Americans.)
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To: Grzegorz 246
What we need is a strong fascist response to the communist threat...or do we need a strong communist response to the fascist threat? I can't tell the players without a program any more...


22 posted on 12/13/2008 9:08:26 AM PST by TonyStark
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To: Grzegorz 246

John Kerry notwithstanding - Neither the EU nor NATO has ANY moral authority to tell anyone what to do. The EU and NATO has more pressing problems - like the mass invasion of jihadis - than going off into Georgia to meet with little Mussolini- Saashkavili.

They lost all credibility when the bombed Serbia and severed the province of Kosovo to create a new jihadi state.


23 posted on 12/13/2008 9:18:10 AM PST by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! + In this sign Conquer! +)
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To: TonyStark

Even though communists and fascists hated each other, they really have a ton in common. Some say that they are opposites, but this doesn’t make much sense to me. Both want extreme government control, little personal liberty, and nationalization of the economy.


24 posted on 12/13/2008 9:26:48 AM PST by ksm1
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To: StAnDeliver

to run up oil and natural gas prices, nothing more and nothing less.


Au cantraire. Russia is standing firm against joining OPEC and so is Norway and Mexico against incredible pressure the cartel.

They just told OPEC to shove it and that they would not conxider joining them.

http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/NewsStory.aspx?cpath=20081202%5CACQDJON200812021053DOWJONESDJONLINE000419.htm&&mypage=newsheadlines&title=OPEC%20President:%20Russia,Norway,Mexico%20Must%20Join%20OPEC%20Or%20Cut%20Output


25 posted on 12/13/2008 9:30:55 AM PST by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! + In this sign Conquer! +)
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To: DaveTesla
Their will be a whole slew of people along any minute to claim they did.

They have to wait for their, ahem, marching orders from Herr Buchanan first.

26 posted on 12/13/2008 9:44:13 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: eleni121

Kosovo: the war that won’t shut up.


27 posted on 12/13/2008 9:50:25 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Grzegorz 246
The way I read it, a more accurate headline would be:
"Georgians retake village then lose it again, no shots fired"

Russians had remained there after the recent face-off.

28 posted on 12/13/2008 9:57:30 AM PST by norton
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To: autumnraine

First you need to call for a meeting to discuss the issues and terms of the meeting to stop the Russian aggression.


29 posted on 12/13/2008 11:05:46 AM PST by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: Grzegorz 246

This is just a warm up to the real test which will be in one of the new NATO countries of the FSU. A place like Narva, Estonia which is on the border and is 90% Russian speaking. What will Obambi and the Germans do when Russian tanks roll into a FSU NATO country?


30 posted on 12/13/2008 11:42:54 AM PST by lodi90
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To: jeffers; maquiladora; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

ping


31 posted on 12/13/2008 12:30:42 PM PST by jhpigott
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To: autumnraine

I’m sure the UN will be a busy place , Wonderful


32 posted on 12/13/2008 1:48:51 PM PST by Deetes (God Bless the Troops)
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To: jhpigott

Here we go again...


33 posted on 12/13/2008 2:47:03 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: All

ATTENTION:
This is NOT another “Poland attacks the Third Reich”.

Reminder: World War III already begun long ago.


34 posted on 12/13/2008 3:26:22 PM PST by VlPu
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To: DaveTesla

So then I’ll be the first.

Georgia’s fault!

/Libs


35 posted on 12/13/2008 3:35:07 PM PST by wastedyears ("Life's tough... It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne)
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To: VlPu

You’re 2 wars behind.

WWIII was the Cold War with battles fought in Vietnam and Korea.

WWIV is the fight against radical Islamists who want to send us back into the 16th Century.

WWV is the fight against liberals who want to send us back to the Ice Age to fight Global Warming.


36 posted on 12/13/2008 4:18:19 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: 444Flyer

The “western powers” I was referring to are the cringing, knee-crawling bowls of snivel in weak sauce soup of the EU.

The craven cowards can’t wait to sign up as the new Vichy.


37 posted on 12/13/2008 4:18:24 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: ksm1

Yes, they have all those things in common.Yet, the communists value the “group” over the individual. the fascists value the elite “race” , ie the individual. Yet both have the quality of being dictatorships.

So , in the end, it is still about an all powerful leader with a cadre of government lieutenants running the show with attendant priveleges not available for the “masses”.
Kind of like Chicago. And the ideology legitimizes the operationalization of their tactics and control.

Communists are like the Democrats. Fascists are like the Mob.


38 posted on 12/13/2008 4:43:36 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Obozo.....friend of dictators and wannabee revoluuuushionaries !)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

And yet, the DNC operates very much like an organized crime syndicate.

Fascism and Communism really only varied in minor details, and who was the Chosen One to serve as head of the cult of personality.


39 posted on 12/13/2008 7:20:17 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: eleni121

“Russian Deputy Prime Minister Igor Sechin last week said Moscow had prepared a draft memorandum on cooperation with the 13-member cartel.”

You don’t have to be a member of OPEC to be in league with them.


40 posted on 12/13/2008 8:34:48 PM PST by SlapHappyPappy
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To: Grzegorz 246

Gog and Magog on the march again............


41 posted on 12/14/2008 2:08:48 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SlapHappyPappy

The US cooperates with OPEC far more than the Russians do.

Every time we bail automakers out, oil rises. Every time we refuse to drill here we help OPEC. Every time we sell billions in arms to the Saudis we help OPEC.


42 posted on 12/14/2008 6:48:18 AM PST by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! + In this sign Conquer! +)
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To: TonyStark

Touche!


43 posted on 12/14/2008 7:39:25 AM PST by StAnDeliver (We Are Your Overlords.)
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To: Grzegorz 246

Russian troops taking forward position. I wonder if other troops are on the move as well?


44 posted on 12/14/2008 7:47:44 AM PST by Camel Joe ("All animals are created equal, but some animals are more equal than others"- The Pigs)
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To: eleni121
"Russia is standing firm against joining OPEC and so is Norway and Mexico against incredible pressure the cartel."

Not in dispute (and you've been there, so you know); but just as other non-OPEC hegemonic state actors who happen to be oil producers (think Africa), they're all about the rise. The schwing, as it were.

Demand destruction hits Russia almost harder than any other top oil producer, because they have a far larger chunk of their billionaire oligarchy (including Pootin) tied directly into price per barrel. The Saudis come close, but they have Wahabi to keep the rabble in line.

Russian can't take a full year @$50bbl.

45 posted on 12/14/2008 8:05:38 AM PST by StAnDeliver (We Are Your Overlords.)
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To: 82ndABNOfficer

I have a feeling they’re testing the waters. As bad shape as our economy might be in, the Russian economy, which is highly levered to oil and gas prices, is much worse off. Their stock market is down 90%, which means no one seems to have any confidence in their economic future.

Despots like Putin are a lot easier to tolerate when they keep the trains running on time, or, in his case, keep the petro-dollars rolling in. When all his supporters are losing money, it has to be worrying him. He could be getting desperate enough to see seizing the gas pipeline that runs through Georgia as a cost-effective way to prop up Russia’s economy.


46 posted on 12/14/2008 9:24:36 AM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: eleni121

But clearly Russia is not telling OPEC to “shove it” (your words). Not even close.


47 posted on 12/14/2008 10:05:36 AM PST by SlapHappyPappy
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To: The Pack Knight

Exactly. Putin said something funny lately; I don’t remember the exact words but it was to the effect of that Russia would be the new safe-haven country, like how everyone usually buys US treasuries in a crisis.

I’m not saying our stock market isn’t bad, but theirs got SO bad that they had to close it for a week in early October to try to stop the bleeding. Russia might have a first world military, but they are third world in every other regard.


48 posted on 12/14/2008 11:12:30 AM PST by ksm1
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To: StAnDeliver
Russian can't take a full year @$50bbl.

The thing is that that is the popular perception (main stream media) but not the reality.

Russia wisely adopted the Norwegian model of conservative investment of the billions. The main issue for Russia as well as for the West is the issue of the competing pipelines---pipelines that run though the middle east--volatile as all hell and the ones supported by Russia. I cannot fathom why this nation has put all its eggs in the the middle east basket of hell ...the ones who have done them most to destabilize the world for the last 1300 years, in particular the house of Saud.

As for the oiligarchs-—the Russian state has gone after them one by one—they are hiding in Europe mainly in the UK. We also have trouble prosecuting our elected officials and our own home grown oligarchs who are corrupt to the bone.

Khodorkovsky still rots in a prison where he should be and others as well. Given the anarchic situation in post Soviet times - witness the leftover commies rioting because Medvedev renamed a street after Solzhenitsyn (he got his way—yes!)- the fact that the oiligarchs have actually been imprisoned says something positive about the present government.

49 posted on 12/14/2008 5:54:38 PM PST by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! + In this sign Conquer! +)
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