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Where's the birth certificate Barack?
1 posted on 12/09/2008 2:33:58 AM PST by Man50D
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Yes...only Obama can really settle the issue by being forthright and honest.


2 posted on 12/09/2008 2:47:25 AM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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Thanks for posting. Here’s another thread of interest to those of us following the Wrotnowski/Donofrio case “natural-born status” case:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2145327/posts


3 posted on 12/09/2008 2:56:57 AM PST by sneakers
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He should.


4 posted on 12/09/2008 3:04:04 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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Legislators could come up with some kind of retro-active legislation.

Thereby ignoring the "ex post facto law" provision of the Constitution. But, hey, it's a living document, you know?

5 posted on 12/09/2008 4:07:22 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Why do I find the Toyota "Saved by Zero" ads so ironic?)
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Our government is BROKEN....NO ONE HAS ANY COURAGE these days.


7 posted on 12/09/2008 4:39:13 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience)
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BTTT


8 posted on 12/09/2008 4:42:45 AM PST by Amityschild (I can only imagine...)
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Although Michelle Malkin waxed a little snarky on this, "Did a fortune-teller place it in the paper knowing he would run for president?", it is fairly common to run such announcements for babies born outside the area of the announcement or even the US. Proud grandparents, for example, could have run the announcement just to let people know they are now grandparents.

Except that if you look at the page of birth announcements printed in both papers, all the babies were born on or about the same date, all the birth announcements are worded identically, and none of them contain the name of the child. If these had been submitted by parents or grandparents one would expect that there would be some difference in the wording, and surely at least one would contain the name of the baby. The source of all the announcements is obviously some government office and not the family. And if Obama wasn't born locally then where did they get the information to print?

9 posted on 12/09/2008 4:43:22 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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Great summary. I agree with the author completely. Let's make this thing legal so we can move on. I should think Obama would want to anyway so he can run easily for a second term.

If this were Bobby Jindal instead of Obama, I have a feeling the issue would have been resolved by now.

12 posted on 12/09/2008 4:54:42 AM PST by littlehouse36 (The real battle is with powers and principalities. Pray unceasingly.)
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” the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.”

I would like to see a copy of one of these types of BCs. I’d like to see how the Place/country of birth is listed. Would it be listed as “Hawaii” or some other country.


13 posted on 12/09/2008 4:55:01 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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The best analysis I’ve read on the subject to date.


14 posted on 12/09/2008 4:55:01 AM PST by traderrob6
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Again, the Constitution is clear on this in the 20th Amendment. "If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified ..."

No "If's" about it. Without a valid Hawiian birth certificate that would stand up in court, Obama has failed to qualify.

This Amendment anticipated just such a situation, that regardless of whether 64 million want it or don't want it to be so, "qualification" for the office still has to be met, even after the election, and if not, he does not take office. So those who think that this is a done deal need to read their Constitution and this 20 Amendment and wake up.

17 posted on 12/09/2008 5:58:40 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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Clearly, the constitution is no longer worth the parchment it’s written on. Perhaps we should simply abandon the rule of law and embrace Liberal anarchy; it’s what a good many citizens want - even a good many of our so-called intellectuals.


18 posted on 12/09/2008 6:05:07 AM PST by Jack Hammer (here)
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Proud grandparents, for example, could have run the announcement just to let people know they are now grandparents.

Not going to weigh in on anything else here, but I saw the "proud grandparents" argument used before.

But let's get real. This was 1961. The Dunhams may possibly have been more tolerant than your "typical white" couple at the time, but do you really think they were all that eager to advertise the fact that their barely-out-of-her-teens daughter just gave birth to a mixed-race baby from an African father?
19 posted on 12/09/2008 6:15:19 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia
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“How viable will our Constitution be if five Supreme Court justices should decide to void 64 million ballots?”

They could order new elections and not one voter would be disenfranchised


20 posted on 12/09/2008 6:43:43 AM PST by chainsaw
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In that article, I see two arguments that don't mesh.

First we have the claim that if Obama was born outside the country he couldn't be a U.S. citizen, since his father was an alien and his mother a minor. Fine.

Then the author says that they have a BC in Hawaii, but that doesn't mean anything, since it could have been given to someone born overseas.

Does Hawaii really give birth certificates to non-citizens? Because that's the only way this makes sense. I can see them giving a BC if Obama was definitely a citizen born overseas, but given the above arguments, he couldn't have been a citizen if born in Kenya.

22 posted on 12/09/2008 7:48:32 AM PST by Kleon
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Perhaps some kind of retroactive re-definition of "natural born" that would handle Obama's particular technicality. I don't know, I'm not a lawyer.

Obviously, they wouldn't ask, they'd just do it.

Actually the only sort of "retroactive redefinition" that would be lawful would be a Constitutional Amendment. Congress cannot pass a law redefining a term or terms in the Constitution so as to change the meaning of the Constitution. It's a contract, unless changed per its own terms, it must mean today what it meant when ratified. Otherwise why bother to have a written Constitution.

The Constitution defines the form, powers and limitations of the national government. It impacts the states by denying them some powers they had prior to it's passage, but these are specifically enumerated in Art. I Section 10.

23 posted on 12/09/2008 6:00:51 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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“How viable will our Constitution be if five Supreme Court justices should decide to void 64 million ballots?” David, this will not be the SCOTUS’s fault, you arrogant ass. BUT, David, you simpleton, what of a man who is such a fraud that he would scam 64 million voters into voting for him though he cannot be a legitimate president. Never mind David, you box of socialist rocks, we consider the Constitution more important than rule by mob. You’re still twisted from your years in socialism mindset.


28 posted on 12/09/2008 7:12:36 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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Randall, you idiot stealth sycophant, this is not true! ... “Yes, we’ve seen Obama’s birth certificate and it says he was born in Honolulu.” Supposedly, his certification of live birth (meaning he was born alive somewhere and it is on record somewhere) is issued from Hawai’i, but that is not and has not been his certificate of birth, the long form saying where he was born. Sheesh, I’m getting really tired of this deceitful crap. We have a president-alleged, the coming lair in chief. Would someone please publish something nationally that tells the actual truth as known so far?


29 posted on 12/09/2008 7:19:09 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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And my point is, when a writer puts such an assertion up, too many will read that far and stop because they have seen what they wanted to have verified. And will fail to read further and discover the truth.


30 posted on 12/09/2008 7:22:45 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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Horowitz is finally showing his true colors.


32 posted on 12/09/2008 7:24:51 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obama - not just an empty suit - - A Suit Bomb invading the White House)
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