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In Courtroom Showdown, President Bush Demands Amnesty for Spying Telecoms
Privacy Digest ^ | December 1, 2008

Posted on 12/01/2008 8:52:54 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

SAN FRANCISCO - The Bush administration on Tuesday will try to convince a federal judge to let stand a law granting retroactive legal immunity to the nation's telecoms, which are accused of transmitting Americans' private communications to the National Security Agency without warrants.

At issue in the high-stakes showdown - set to begin at 10:00 a.m. PST - are the nearly four dozen lawsuits filed by civil liberties groups and class action attorneys against AT&T, Verizon, MCI, Sprint and other carriers who allegedly cooperated with the Bush administration's domestic surveillance program in the years following the Sept. 11 terror attacks. The lawsuits claim the cooperation violated federal wiretapping laws and the Constitution.

In July, as part of a wider domestic spying bill, Congress voted to kill the lawsuits and grant retroactive amnesty to any phone companies that helped with the surveillance; President-elect Barack Obama was among those who voted for the law in the Senate. On Tuesday, lawyers with the Electronic Frontier Foundation are set to urge the federal judge overseeing those lawsuits to reject immunity as unconstitutional. At stake, they say, is the very principle of the rule of law in America.

"I think it does set a very frightening precedent that it's okay for people to break the law because they can just have Congress bail them out later," says EFF legal director Cindy Cohn." "It's very troubling."

Carl Tobias, a professor at the University of Richmond School of Law, says the immunity legislation, if upheld, makes it possible to extend immunity to other areas of the law.

He agreed, for example, that it would not be far-fetched to imagine Congress immunizing ExxonMobil for the 1989 Valdez oil spill "for national security reasons." A jury awarded about $5 billion in punitive damages in that case, an amount the courts reduced to $500 million.

In the telecom immunity challenge, the government argues that the telecoms should not be punished, or suffer the threat of punishment, for a surveillance program that the Bush administration claims was designed only to fight terrorism. The government also denies the lawsuits' allegations that the surveillance was a broad dragnet that sucked down Americans' communications on a wholesale basis.

The administration also says the immunity is warranted because the lawsuits threaten to expose government secrets.

The EFF brought the original spying lawsuit in 2006 against AT&T, and has since been joined by dozens of others targeting the nation's telecommunications companies.

The EFF's case, which has been consolidated with the others in the U.S. District Court of San Francisco, includes so-called whistle-blower documents from a former AT&T technician. The EFF claims the documents describe a secret room in an AT&T building in San Francisco that is wired to share raw internet traffic with the NSA.

The government sought to dismiss the original EFF case, and others that followed, on the grounds that they threatened to expose state secrets. U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker of San Francisco ruled against the government, saying the case could proceed.

The government appealed. But before the appeal was decided, Congress on July 9 gave the president the power to grant immunity to the carriers.

The EFFis now challenging the immunity legislationon the grounds that it seeks to circumvent the Constitution's separation of powers clause, as well as Americans' Fourth Amendment rights against unreasonable searches and seizures.

"The legislation is an attempt to give the president the authority to terminate claims that the president has violated the people's Fourth Amendment rights," the EFF's Cohn says. "You can't do that."

Two weeks ago, the administration told Walker in a court filing(.pdf) that the immunity legislation "represents the considered judgment of our nation's political branches that, in the unique historical circumstances following the 9/11 attacks, telecommunications companies should not bear the burden of defending against claims that those companies assisted the government in its efforts to detect and prevent further terrorist attacks."

Congress, the government continued, "concluded that those companies should not face further litigation if they provided such assistance pursuant to a court order or a written certification, directive or request from a senior government official, or did not provide the alleged assistance."

The immunity law allows the government to file a classified brief with Judge Walker activating immunity for a particular communication company. Walker then has little power to deny the request, unless the judge finds the immunity legislation is itself unconstitutional.

Oral arguments in Walker's courtroom are scheduled for 10 a.m. PST on Tuesday. Threat Level will cover the proceedings live.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; afghanistan; bush; counterterrorism; gwot; iraq; mohammedanism; mohammedanism122008; obama; telecom; telecoms; terrorism; wot
How did we win the two World Wars and the Cold War?
1 posted on 12/01/2008 8:52:54 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sounds like the ‘RATS are still pissed off at President Bush for spying on their Muslim terrorist pals who want to kill us.


2 posted on 12/01/2008 8:58:36 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (For more information on America's "new direction" read The Road to Serfdom. by Friedrich A. Hayek.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

using as codes american indians speaking their languages across the war zones.

neither the german nor japanese anthropologists at the time could speak those amerind languages.


3 posted on 12/01/2008 9:00:28 PM PST by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bottom line: Bush pardons them.


4 posted on 12/01/2008 9:01:34 PM PST by Tax Government
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At stake, they say, is the very principle of the rule of law in America.

That principle has been slowly eaten away over the years by the same ilk who support this group and lawsuit.

5 posted on 12/01/2008 9:01:59 PM PST by capydick ("History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid".)
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How did we win the two World Wars and the Cold War?

The Rats were still reasonably patriotic back then. Believe it or not, there were even conservative Democrats that put country above party. I know, hard to believe isn't it?

Of course all that silly United States stuff is behind them and it's full bore into the 21st century under the rallying cry of "Workers of the world, UNITE!"

6 posted on 12/01/2008 9:50:34 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (All hail the Obamasiah! Kneel before Obamohammad!)
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We fought them differently... we had a Congress not afraid to do its duty and DECLARE WAR.

Today we have legislation like this that absolutely screws over the Constitution and the American people and apologists for big government that applaud those who sought this abomination and those who passed it, wiping their nasty butts with the shredded remains of the Supreme Law of the Land. (Imagine OBambi with this law at his beck and call!)


7 posted on 12/01/2008 11:25:46 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Without meddling lawyers.


8 posted on 12/02/2008 12:53:00 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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***unless the judge finds the immunity legislation is itself unconstitutional.***

That's exactly what the judge will find and then it goes to the USSC for appeal and then an Obama can deal with it since it's his Lib friends that cause this legal mess.

9 posted on 12/02/2008 4:13:34 AM PST by tobyhill (No Honeymoon For Obama.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Vaughn Walker - appointed 1989.


10 posted on 12/02/2008 9:10:53 AM PST by zendari
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Who’s behind the Electronic Frontier Foundation? Is this Soros stuff?


11 posted on 12/02/2008 10:16:49 AM PST by Mamzelle (Boycott Peggy Swoonin')
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To: Mamzelle

Nah. The EFF is a loose collective of technically brilliant but otherwise ignorant and pathetically undersocialized libertarian-leaning tunnel-visioned ubergeeks and hypernerds who should be tossed a few cases of Jolt and packets of Twinkies from time to time and who should never, ever be unchained from their keyboards.


12 posted on 12/02/2008 2:10:17 PM PST by Tenniel2 (Sometimes you have to confront evil head-on. Mutt-boy delenda est.)
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