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Mumbai photographer: I wish I'd had a gun, not a camera. Armed police would not fire back
Belfast Telegraph ^ | 29 November 2008 | Jerome Taylor

Posted on 11/29/2008 11:17:52 AM PST by Leisler

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To: Spktyr
Those guys were meth heads and wanted to die. They wanted a shootout.

Even for the police the anti-gun liberals are out to get them. There's no reason officers should have a long gun in their vehicle. They would if I was mayor or Governor.

61 posted on 11/29/2008 12:01:19 PM PST by Leisler ("Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever. " Lenin)
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To: Shooter 2.5

I’ve spent a lot of time in India and have seen the inside
of several police stations in Mumbai, Puni, Acra, to name a few. One thing that is noticed immediately is the high level
of pencil pushers to the number of actual beat cops. The level of training is nothing compared to any small town cop here in the US. Another thing to remember is the fear of
any civil worker in India of doing the wrong thing. Nothing
is done without CYA and waiting for orders from above. In a strange or unusual situation, these people will refuse to act for fear of coming under scrutiny and the possibility of losing their rice bowl.


62 posted on 11/29/2008 12:02:22 PM PST by OregonRancher (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints)
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To: Shooter 2.5

Most of them were issued the FAL. When firing a FAL in full auto, they don’t generally fire it from the shoulder because the massive recoil pushes you all over the place anyway. They’re trained to walk fire into the enemy on FA, if I recall correctly.


63 posted on 11/29/2008 12:02:44 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Leisler
Gun Ownership in India
64 posted on 11/29/2008 12:04:34 PM PST by Stentor (b. July 4, 1776 - d. January 20, 2009 sorely missed.)
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To: Republic of Texas

Terrorists all over the world seem to always make the same mistake - they spend a lot of money on rifles, ammo, and explosives and never anything on support gear like night vision devices, armor, or breathers.


65 posted on 11/29/2008 12:04:52 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

They obviously aren’t stupid, not all of them anyway, but they are crazy. Unfortunately, they will learn over time.


66 posted on 11/29/2008 12:06:23 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Leisler

“But what angered Mr D’Souza almost as much were the masses of armed police hiding in the area who simply refused to shoot back. “There were armed policemen hiding all around the station but none of them did anything,” he said. “At one point, I ran up to them and told them to use their weapons. I said, ‘Shoot them, they’re sitting ducks!’ but they just didn’t shoot back.”

What was wrong with the armed policemen? Were they in on the conspiracy?


67 posted on 11/29/2008 12:09:28 PM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: OregonRancher

Orwell wrote about that in his 1930’s essay, Shooting An Elephant.

Basically, they came and got the white guy to shoot a rouge elephant because no one wanted to take responsibility.

That is the nature of bureaucracy, anywhere. It is its core reason for being, for taking away decision making from the individual. People thinking was thought to be a primitive and unscientific way to organize things. So bureaucracy was to have an answer, a rule for everything. If it isn’t in the rule book, then paralysis ensues. You can not have people who have given themselves over to a numbing process, suddenly wake up and become quick, independent thinking actors.


68 posted on 11/29/2008 12:10:29 PM PST by Leisler ("Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever. " Lenin)
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To: Leisler

i was watching this live on IBN.com the reporter said several times that the police ‘had not yet been given permission to shoot’. there’s where the problem is. :\


69 posted on 11/29/2008 12:10:55 PM PST by ferri (Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane. - Philip K. Dick)
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To: Shooter 2.5

“From the description, these were not trained commandos. “

From other decriptions they were trained. perhaps not to the level of our special forces or isreali though.

They weren’t some schmucks off the street is what I heard.


70 posted on 11/29/2008 12:11:02 PM PST by driftdiver (No More Obama! - The corruption has not changed despite all our hopes.)
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To: fso301
bttt
71 posted on 11/29/2008 12:11:37 PM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 25)
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To: Ciexyz
To be fair, none of us knows how we would react when confronted with a situation like this.

I can absolutely tell you with all my body, brain, and heart, if I had been in that station with a gun....I would have been firing rounds.

72 posted on 11/29/2008 12:12:44 PM PST by Osage Orange (Molon Labe)
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To: Stentor

Added to favorites.


73 posted on 11/29/2008 12:13:20 PM PST by Leisler ("Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever. " Lenin)
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To: Leisler
Armed police would not fire back

Sounds like the got their training with the Columbine police department.

74 posted on 11/29/2008 12:13:20 PM PST by meyer (We are all John Galt)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Columbine was an entirely different situation. The SWAT team was acting according to policy, and if their actions amounted to cowardice, it was institutionalized cowardice.

In Mumbai, you had beat cops suddenly faced with an overwhelming military style assault. One might think that a sense of duty would require them to respond, but it would have taken great bravery, and a willingness for self-sacrifice. It would have been an outside chance to take out even one of the terrorists before going down.


75 posted on 11/29/2008 12:14:42 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: Leisler; Spktyr; Republic of Texas
Next time the terrorists will probably wear Kevlar like the Hollywood bank robbers

Those guys were meth heads and wanted to die

Not true, if they wanted to die, they wouldn't have been robbing a bank, or wearing body armor, using pretty major firepower. They thought they would get away with it...As they had before.

In the the North Hollywood BofA robbery, both suspects were not only armed with auto weapons, thousands of rounds of ammo, but were wrapped in body armor in addition to home made trauma plates...LAPD was not only out gunned, but the suspects were pretty well protected...

With 18 minute both suspects were dead, as officers literally went head to head with them even though clearly outgunned.

76 posted on 11/29/2008 12:17:53 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: Spktyr
Islam doesn't lend its self to the cool logic of Western tradition.

Basically, these guys were/are nutters.

There is probably some Koranic injunction against equipment. Further, I don't think the mechanical skills and arts of Muslims is all that high. These aren't Germans.

77 posted on 11/29/2008 12:17:54 PM PST by Leisler ("Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever. " Lenin)
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To: dragnet2
I've said for years now....10 well trained teams of snipers could cause several major cities to totally shut down.

Two poorly trained idiots shooting from a trunk of car....basically caused panic...not too many years ago.

78 posted on 11/29/2008 12:18:32 PM PST by Osage Orange (Molon Labe)
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To: Republic of Texas
I doubt any local police force would stand up against what was basically a Special Op’s force.

Get the typical American gun owner within 300 yards and give them a good rifle, and they could paste 3 inch groups on the gunmans' noggins all afternoon.

79 posted on 11/29/2008 12:19:41 PM PST by meyer (We are all John Galt)
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To: Dick Bachert

mark


80 posted on 11/29/2008 12:20:26 PM PST by Osage Orange (Molon Labe)
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