Posted on 11/29/2008 11:17:52 AM PST by Leisler
Thank you for all your informed and penetrating posts.
Correct.
You are true, about a time and event.
Bean there done that, with a slap on the head for burning up magazines.
Compared to the Indian police, they were well trained. They were not anywhere near a US Special Operator. But few are.
They were well trained compared to the Indian Police. They were not comparable to US Special Operators, but few are. They also outgunned the Indian Police. It wasn’t until the Army and Commandos showed up that the tide turned. As for the rest of your post, I couldn’t agree more.
But, shy as you are, you are persuasive. Your command of history and military doctrine is without peer. Thank God you have entered the ranks of Cesare, Machiavelli, L. D. Heart.
I only wished when I sat with Sgt. Major Murphy, and Colonel Beckwith, as a total whelp, we could of had your commanding presences. No doubt your every post is recorded in every military academe, from the Hudson to Beijing.
I am not saying that ethics and morals are not definitive, but just you have to stand back, like a surgeon,and separate your self from the thickets of subjective bagage, look at the events coldly.
On, their plus side, they did quite a lot.
Physically, economically, they did nothing.
I don't think they scared the Indian population. If, anything, they have unified the Indians. So, other that the press, they have lost in every measure.
Other than back at home cave, or where ever they came from, the action was a loser.
Dave Grossman, who spoke to me about ”the bulletproof mind,” has written about the hidden logic behind military training. In his controversial book ”On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society,” he writes: ”It is entirely possible that no one intentionally sat down to use operant conditioning or behavior modification techniques to train soldiers in this area. But from the standpoint of a psychologist who is also a historian and a career soldier, it has become increasingly obvious to me that this is exactly what has been achieved.” …
Indeed, Special Forces officers openly discuss the use of ‘’stress inoculation” — in which they are exposed to heartbeat-racing drills that raise their threshold for staying calm. It doesn’t mean Special Forces soldiers are immune to stress or the mistakes that stress causes, but it takes a lot more to rattle one of them than an old-time draftee…. Special Forces soldiers may develop cold-blooded reflexes, but they are also trained to know when not to kill. Targets that pop up during shooting drills include women and children who are not supposed to be shot. Being able to remain steady in combat doesn’t just mean you will be a quick draw; it also means that you will do a better job of deciding when to hold your fire. As Grossman writes of the calibration of aggression: ”This is a delicate and dangerous process. Too much, and you end up with a My Lai. . . . Too little, and your soldiers will be defeated and killed by someone who is more aggressively disposed.” Colonel King put it like this: ”Our guys have got to be confident in their ability to use lethal force. But they’ve got to be principled enough to know when not to use it. We’re not training pirates.” Exactly how does one train soldiers to be effective and yet principled killers? Operant conditioning is part of it. The goal of this process of accustoming military members to killing in wartime is to reduce their psychological and physical stress/fear, in order to avoid panic. And why is this so important? Because it’s this stress/panic reaction (as well as a number of other factors, to be discussed in a moment) that can lead to the commission of atrocities in war.
The training, as described by the aforementioned Colonel Dave Grossman (an expert in the field), is as follows:
Many people think killing is a natural act, but Col. Grossman argues that it isn’t. He discusses how new and innovative pop up targets, video-based firearms training simulators, and Simunition®-based training are used to facilitate overcoming this innate resistance. These devices are then combined with high repetition to condition a correct response even in the face of fear….
Sometimes, a deadly force encounter explodes without warning, or a fight can be so fast and furious that there is no time to think about which technique to use and how best to employ it. To survive, you must do what needs to be done – now. In order to react reflexively, yet responsibly, and continue to fight no matter how impaired, you must have a set of conditioned responses ingrained into your mind.
Range training must be repetitive. When a pop up target of a bad guy appears (stimulus), you shoot (response). Stimulus-response, stimulus-response, and then a pop up target of a man holding a cell phone appears, you don’t shoot. The more realistic the target is, the better…. Realistic settings and situations, combined with live fire training using Simunition rounds will dramatically elevate your adrenaline to replicate how a real situation feels. The more you engage in this kind of training, the lower your heart rate gets as you become “inoculated” against combat, just as a vaccination will inoculate against a disease.
Been there, been that.
Compare the Indian police to the SWAT team at Colombine. That's the issue.Well at Colombine, the SWAT didn't act because it was outside their doctrine (active shooters). In this incident, the police didn't act because it was outside their training and abilities. A lack of training leads to a lack of courage.
The terrorists had about the same training the Afghan mujahadeen give to a nine year old terrorist. Spray from the hip, pull pin and toss grenade, continue to spray. Reload, spray more. Prepare to receive your virgins!
I guess what I'm trying to say here is that these people don't require more than rudimentary training on the weapons themselves. They don't need training because from the moment of birth they're inculcated with the doctrine that sheep are meant to be slaughtered. All it takes is a "muj warrior" and paradise is within the grasp. These animals are well trained compared to the average American citizen sheep who know nothing of weapons or the sheepdog mindset. I would still put my IDPA club against them anyday.
Police don't want any Human Right Commission investigation. 15 days back Mumbai killed they killed a gun wielding lunatic on Bus and they are now facing HRC inquiry without pay.
The New River must be a wide deep river to take an hour to “ford” it. :)
It’s good to know that.
Kelly is on top of things.
Huh? Still work when I click on them.
First of all, I am simply amazed that 70 million people can be policed anywhere with only 20,000 police.
Secondly, it's gotta' be really difficult to do if 19,448 of those police have no firearms.
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