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1 posted on 11/24/2008 9:02:56 PM PST by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

No.


2 posted on 11/24/2008 9:05:14 PM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: bruinbirdman

I find it disturbing that anyone is even considering investing 400 million in Tesla, Public or private.


3 posted on 11/24/2008 9:10:22 PM PST by OCC
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Where does the electricity come from? We cannot build power plants any more than we can drill for oil.


4 posted on 11/24/2008 9:12:18 PM PST by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold))
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Doesn't the word "maverick" imply independence?

Let's check the etymology:

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=maverick

1867, "calf or yearling found without an owner's brand," in allusion to Samuel A. Maverick (1803-70), Texas cattle owner who was negligent in branding his calves. Sense of "individualist, unconventional person" is first recorded 1886, via notion of "masterless."

5 posted on 11/24/2008 9:12:36 PM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Not one stinking cent!!!


6 posted on 11/24/2008 9:16:56 PM PST by dalereed
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To: bruinbirdman

Subsidy for actors and fat cat liberals looking to make a “green” statement. Wake up, Detroit, the environmentalists are about to throw you under the bus.


10 posted on 11/24/2008 9:22:52 PM PST by Azzurri
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For a few billion dollars in federal money, we got the U.S. technology industry.

And Algore invented the Internet. Private sector? What private sector?

13 posted on 11/24/2008 9:35:23 PM PST by TChad
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I believe Jay Leno had the right idea for these auto industry ‘bailouts’ and loans: give the money back to the taxpayers, with the provision that they spend it on a new car. That way, at least we get a new car out of it.


14 posted on 11/24/2008 9:36:44 PM PST by VietVet (I am old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I 'm not inclined to apologize for any of)
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To: bruinbirdman

You mean $0.4 billion? Now’s the time to ask for it!


16 posted on 11/24/2008 9:50:53 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: bruinbirdman

If this project is viable the venture capital will show up, so guess what, IT IS NOT VIABLE.


17 posted on 11/24/2008 9:53:29 PM PST by Fred (The Democrat Party is the Nadir of Nihilism and BO is a WHINING marxist)
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To: bruinbirdman

Here’s another attempt, from inventor of Segway. This one is called Revolt (trying to capitalize or sendoff on Chevy Volt?) BTW, Segway has not proven to be a big commercial success, mostly due to its hefty price.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,449303,00.html

Dean Kamen Making the ‘Segway’ into Hybrid Cars

Monday , November 10, 2008

fter years of tinkering, inventor Dean Kamen is ready to show off what he says is the world’s first hybrid electric car with a Stirling engine.

“I’m a car manufacturer! It’s so exciting,” he said last week, showing off his state registration for his new car, listed as a 2008 DEKA Revolt.

The prototype, uses a recycled version of the Ford Think, an electric car that was discontinued in 2000. The two-seat hatchback can go about 60 miles on a single charge of its lithium battery with almost zero emissions.

In the trunk is a Stirling engine that powers the features that normally would drain power from the battery, including the defroster and heater, leaving the batter primarily for propulsion.

“You’re running a pure electric, which is enormously cheaper to operate and enormously more environmentally friendly,” Kamen said.

If the battery runs low, the Stirling also can recharge it, so drivers wouldn’t get stranded.

The engines are named for Robert Stirling, a minister in Scotland who first applied for a patent on his “economiser” engine in 1816. They use external heat to drive internal pistons, creating clean, quiet power for almost unlimited applications and have been used on occasion to power submarines, coal mine pumps and generators. But engineers have yet to figure out a way to manufacture them economically for mass use.

Kamen started applying for and receiving Stirling-related patents in 2002, sparking speculation that he was working on a way to incorporate the engines into his much-hyped Segway scooters. He said he is in “conversation” with a group of Norwegian investors about producing the car and hopes it will be in production within two years.

He doesn’t know how much it would cost, but the goal is to make it affordable for average consumers, unlike the Segway, which Kamen had said would revolutionize short-distance travel. At about $5,000, the self-balancing vehicles have appealed mostly to police, mall security crews and airport personnel.

Kamen said he is not optimistic that struggling American carmakers will embrace Stirling engine technology. Most big companies seem to misconstrue Darwin’s ideas about which species survive, he said.

“I think what Darwin was really saying was: It’s not the fittest, not the smartest, not the strongest; it’s the ones that can adapt to change. And big industries that have long histories, particularly successful long histories and a lot of ingrained infrastructure become the least adaptable to change.”

But he sees the car as “a step along the way to be able to build, in high volume, high-quality, low-cost electric generation for a couple billion people.”

“If we can demonstrate the utility of the Stirling engine by putting it in a car ... it will leave me with an engine that I can use to supply electricity to the world.”


18 posted on 11/24/2008 9:58:43 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: bruinbirdman

NO.

Federal or SF money?


20 posted on 11/24/2008 10:34:57 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: bruinbirdman; All
I've been following this story for a while and I think the chance of Telsa making it as a car company is about 1 in 1000. They are building an all electric two seater. The car will cost about $80,000 with a fairly limited range. They are also going to try to build it in San Jose, CA. This is just about the highest cost place to try and build anything.

This company doesn't have the chance of a snowball in hell.
22 posted on 11/24/2008 11:47:04 PM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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