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Iowa Town Teeters On Edge Of Ruin
CBS News ^ | Nov. 23, 2008 | Seth Doane

Posted on 11/24/2008 8:29:31 AM PST by george76

For months, CBS News has been following the deepening troubles of tiny Postville, Iowa, population 2,200. Now the shutdown of the town's main employer following a federal immigration raid has Postville at the point of desperation...

Postville, Iowa was just decorated with holiday cheer. But looks can be deceiving.

"In the last few weeks - it's really gone downhill dramatically," says Mayor Bob Penrod.

With empty streets - and shuttered shops - this small town is facing economic calamity.

Penrod is taking steps this weekend to declare a state of emergency here - but not a natural disaster - rather one that's man-made.

"If we don't get some help from the state or federal government, we're going to be in deep trouble financially,"

Earlier this month - Jeff and Holly's employer, Agriprocessors, a kosher meat processing plant here suspended operations, and filed for bankruptcy protection. Once the town's largest employer - this was just the latest in a string of setbacks for the company - and for Postville.

It all started on May 12, 2008, when hundreds of federal immigration authorities raided Agriprocessors and arrested 389 workers.

Many like Irma Rucal were undocumented immigrants. Six months later she still wears a tracking anklet and waits for a court date.

"There are a lot of people in the U.S. who, frankly, wouldn't have a lot of sympathy for you," Doane reminded Rucal. "They would say you shouldn't haven't been here you were working illegally and you shouldn't be able to work here."

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Iowa; US: New York
KEYWORDS: agriprocessors; immigrants; immigration; kosher; rubashkin; sholom; sholomrubashkin; sobstory; undocumented
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389 illegal people arrested and the company shuts down?

The town doesn''t have 389 unemployed "legal" people who needed jobs and therefore the company can still operate?

So what is it the immigrants were doing that others can't do?

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1 posted on 11/24/2008 8:29:31 AM PST by george76
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To: george76
"If we don't get some help from the state or federal government, we're going to be in deep trouble financially,"

The republic has fallen....................

2 posted on 11/24/2008 8:31:16 AM PST by Red Badger (Never has a man risen so far, so fast and is expected to do so much, for so many, with so little...)
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To: george76
Boo frickin hoo. Hire that many wetbacks and reap the whirlwind.

(Of course, look for the crackdowns to end after 1/20/09).

3 posted on 11/24/2008 8:32:05 AM PST by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: george76

NO PROBLEM - - - BAIL OUT MONEY ON THE WAY!!!! $25 billion check in the mail.


4 posted on 11/24/2008 8:32:13 AM PST by RetiredArmy (NOTE TO REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS: PLAY THE CONSERVATIVE CARD!!!)
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To: george76

If you play with fire ... you will get burned. And creating a situation where the town is dependent on a single firm to maintain the economic viability of the town ... and allow that firm to go on hiring illegal aliens, is most defiantly playing with fire.


5 posted on 11/24/2008 8:32:39 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: george76
289 job openings sounds like an opportuity to me if you are unemployed and legal?
6 posted on 11/24/2008 8:33:34 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: george76
So the plant had to shut down? Why? Pay US citizens $8/hr and they'll do the work.Yes,the product may have cost a little more but at least an attempt could have been made.
7 posted on 11/24/2008 8:34:29 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Obama:"Ich bin ein beginner")
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To: george76

I assume a union set the federales on a plant that refused to knuckle under. Anyone know otherwise?


8 posted on 11/24/2008 8:34:41 AM PST by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: TexasCajun

Can’t they just post an add on the Michigan craigslist or in the detroitfreepress. Of course, they would be inundated if they did that.


9 posted on 11/24/2008 8:36:54 AM PST by MarkeyD (11-4-08 For the first time I can say I am ashamed of my country.)
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To: george76
So what is it the immigrants were doing that others can't do?

Show up for their shifts.

10 posted on 11/24/2008 8:37:51 AM PST by nina0113 (Hugh Akston is my hero.)
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To: george76
You can drive through any State in the midwest or south and find ghost towns - or "bedroom communities" that have a single gas station/grocery store and a few churches. Life happens, businesses fail and towns change.
11 posted on 11/24/2008 8:38:20 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Tagline scrubbed to prevent invitation to indoctrinization camp)
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To: george76

Maybe if they hired Americans then they might not be in this mess. One slaughterhouse was raided 9 months ago. They ran ads for jobs and thousands of Americans showed up looking for work. I guess paying a $1 an hour more is not worth it.


12 posted on 11/24/2008 8:38:57 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: george76
"There are a lot of people in the U.S. who, frankly, wouldn't have a lot of sympathy for you," Doane reminded Rucal. "They would say you shouldn't haven't been here you were working illegally and you shouldn't be able to work here." Indeed.Now,why don't the legal citizens get up off their tails,save thier town and stop begging for government handouts!!??
13 posted on 11/24/2008 8:40:01 AM PST by gimme1ibertee (Sarahloution!!!!!)
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To: george76
but not a natural disaster - rather one that's man-made.

Actions have consequences.

Help Wanted signs attract attention

14 posted on 11/24/2008 8:40:18 AM PST by TYVets
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To: george76

Kosher processed beef sells for premium prices. Therefore the company SHOULD be able to pay fair wages to people willing to move there (nice town and rural setting).

They can likely avail themselves of low priced housing due to the rapid disappearance of former owners/tenants.

I think the packing plant owners are trying to issue a PAYBACK for the affront of making them follow the law.


15 posted on 11/24/2008 8:40:21 AM PST by dbacks (God help the USA.)
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The town doesn''t have 389 unemployed "legal" people who needed jobs and therefore the company can still operate?

Probably not. Out of 2200 people in the town, 389 was probably most of their labor force.

Out of that 2200, let's say that 20% are children and 20% are elderly. Now you're down to 880 people. Out of that, let's say 10% choose not to work or cannot (stay at home moms, those on disability, the mentally handicapped, etc), and now you're down to 800. Now take 25% of the remainder that are either self-employed (the local baker, the plumbing and electrical contractor, the mechanic) or are in service industries supporting the plant (the delivery drivers, the restaurant owners, the teachers at the local schools), and you're down to just 580 employees, of whom at least 450 or so work at the plant. Then you take those 389 illegals away, and you're down to all supervisors and admin types, with no one left to support.

So, the plant closes down and the town dies.

I freely admit that I'm making up these percentages, but I think they're reasonable.

16 posted on 11/24/2008 8:42:38 AM PST by Terabitten (To all RINOs: You're expendable. Sarah isn't.)
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To: taxcontrol
And creating a situation where the town is dependent on a single firm to maintain the economic viability of the town ...

Not too unusual in rural areas. Many small communities are dependent on a few businesses in their local area. That's especially true when those communities are far from urban areas. Small businesses like groceries, gas stations, diners, and taverns don't have what it takes for a community to remain stable. And one would have to look at Postville's demographics to determine whether legal residents could fill the void.

17 posted on 11/24/2008 8:42:53 AM PST by bcsco (Liberals don't understand, it's impossible to pick up a turd-like Obama-by the clean end...)
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To: george76
Would there be any boo-hooing if the story had been this:

It all started on May 12, 2008, when hundreds of federal FDA inspectors raided Agriprocessors and shut down the plant for using 20% sawdust instead of beef to save money.

18 posted on 11/24/2008 8:43:32 AM PST by KarlInOhio (11/4: The revolutionary socialists beat the Fabian ones. Where can we find a capitalist party?)
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To: george76

Quien vive por el mojado se morirá por el mojado.


19 posted on 11/24/2008 8:44:32 AM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: george76
The town doesn''t have 389 unemployed "legal" people who needed jobs and therefore the company can still operate?

LOL! I can tell that you've never lived in a small town with a single major employer.

20 posted on 11/24/2008 8:45:05 AM PST by r9etb
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To: NativeNewYorker

Former CEO Sholom Rubashkin, 49, of Postville, was charged with two new counts — harboring undocumented aliens for profit and conspiracy to commit document fraud. He was previously charged with conspiracy to harbor undocumented aliens for profit, aiding and abetting document fraud, six counts of aiding and abetting aggravated identity theft and two counts of bank fraud.

Operations manager Brent Beebe, 51, and poultry managers Hosam Amara, 44, and Zeev Levi, all of Postville, are each charged with conspiracy to harbor undocumented aliens for profit, harboring undocumented aliens for profit, conspiracy to commit document fraud and aiding and abetting document fraud.

http://gazetteonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081121/NEWS/711219928


21 posted on 11/24/2008 8:47:07 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Agriprocessors should not have hired illegal aliens.

This is THEIR fault, not mine. And yet, I am called upon yet again to “donate” my tax dollars for a crisis I had no part in making.


22 posted on 11/24/2008 8:47:31 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: MarkeyD
Can’t they just post an add on the Michigan craigslist or in the detroitfreepress. Of course, they would be inundated if they did that.

Don't bet your lunch money on it. They don't call Michigan the "winter water welfare" capital for nothing........

23 posted on 11/24/2008 8:47:40 AM PST by nascarnation
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To: Terabitten
I freely admit that I'm making up these percentages, but I think they're reasonable.

You're on the right track, but I'd bet that agriculture is the second most dominant business. Beyond that, it's the small businesses; diners taverns groceries & gas stations. Still, the fact the business relied on illegals likely goes beyond their cheap labor. I doubt they'd be able to fill their employee needs otherwise in a rural setting like this. But, you see, they go to these areas to begin with BECAUSE of cheap labor. Then, when their business booms, they find they need illegal labor to fill their ranks...

24 posted on 11/24/2008 8:47:57 AM PST by bcsco (Liberals don't understand, it's impossible to pick up a turd-like Obama-by the clean end...)
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To: KarlInOhio

A federal grand jury has issued a 12-count indictment alleging that managers were intricately involved in efforts to employ illegal workers at a kosher slaughterhouse that was the site of one of the nation’s largest immigration raids.

The indictment includes three new defendants — Brent Beebe, Hosam Amara and Zeev Levi

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/21/AR2008112103163.html


25 posted on 11/24/2008 8:48:55 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

I saw something about this crap last night on the local news. Apparently there are some bleeding heart libs who are helping the illegals. I kept waiting for the newscaster to talk about REAL AMERICANS out of work or helping each other but the people he interviewed were straight up that they were helping illegals. The story made me sick.

Screw Postville. If they want to help illegals they should give them a friggin’ ticket back to Mexico.

As the town continues to decline, I wonder how many out-of-work or barely working Americans will be willing to give up what little they have to help criminals.


26 posted on 11/24/2008 8:49:11 AM PST by radiohead (Buy ammo, get your kids out of government schools, pray for the Republic.)
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Now the shutdown of the town's main employer following a federal immigration raid has Postville at the point of desperation...

The town deserves to die and the owners of these businesses that hired these low wage illegal aliens needs to be prosecuted and jail.

They refused to pay a wage that one could actually survive on..They instead opted to break the law...

All for bigger profits.

Profits regardless of consequences.

27 posted on 11/24/2008 8:49:19 AM PST by dragnet2
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To: george76

Throughout human history towns have come and gone. It’s not like these people are forced to stay there and starve. Life is tough, and I suspect in the near future it’s going to get tougher for many of us.


28 posted on 11/24/2008 8:50:17 AM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: Terabitten

Actually, those numbers are not too far off.


29 posted on 11/24/2008 8:54:47 AM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: george76

I think the charges against management may also be part of the reason for the local problems. If management is in place, the plant can go out and get other laborers. With management under indictment, maybe unable to work everyday, etc. I bet there’s no one at the helm just now and everything is going to hell in a handbasket.


30 posted on 11/24/2008 8:54:54 AM PST by radiohead (Buy ammo, get your kids out of government schools, pray for the Republic.)
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To: dragnet2

Baruch Weiss, a lawyer for former Agriprocessors executive Sholom Rubashkin, told a judge today that unnamed investors are in negotiations to buy the company.

“Very soon, the company will be out of Rubashkin hands,”

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20081119/NEWS/81119054/1001/


31 posted on 11/24/2008 8:57:33 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Gotta fix the bias real quick...

It all started The criminal conspiracy was broken on May 12, 2008, when hundreds of federal immigration authorities raided Agriprocessors and arrested 389 workers. illegal aliens.

The owners, plant managers, are all under federal indictment, the usual excuses don't pan out - testimony given to the grand jury is that plant managers routinely paid for illegal aliens to get false identifications and work permits, and the report is that on May 11th, one day before the raid, requested the human resources department open on a Sunday to process more fraudulent documentation.

Bank fraud charges have also been filed against the principles in the case.

The criminal conspiracy extends far beyond the plant, with even a city councilman renting out trailers to illegal aliens at grossly inflated prices. The plant does not presently have the cash to meet payroll, and is in court asking permission to steal the cash collateral used to borrow money from the bank and give it to the employees. Which of course is lawyer speak for: We'd like to get money out of this client before we get screwed too.

32 posted on 11/24/2008 9:00:10 AM PST by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: george76

2, 200 people? What’s the big deal?

This pinprick of a settlement (”Town” is a complete misnomer) clearly only ever existed because of this company in the first place. Let it fail.


33 posted on 11/24/2008 9:00:53 AM PST by agere_contra (So ... where's the birth certificate?)
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To: radiohead; george76

Run Postville, IA through Wikipedia. You’ll see the kosher meat processing plant was started by a group of Hasidic Jews from New York. A number of managers have been indicted not only for employing illegals but for child labor violations.

There was another meat processing plant at one time, but it burned down in 2003, then rebuilt elsewhere. There’s also a plastics factory in town.

There seems to be a fairly high number of single person households (IMO). I’d say they were there because of work and for no other reason. Without the work, those who were legal likely moved on.


34 posted on 11/24/2008 9:01:16 AM PST by bcsco (Liberals don't understand, it's impossible to pick up a turd-like Obama-by the clean end...)
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To: bcsco
Also you might want to check out the link to the book - Postville: A Clash of Cultures in Heartland America.

It seems that some Jews had problems with this kosher plant for using slaughter methods that were inhumane and contrary to kosher law.

The plant was in trouble before the INS raid.

35 posted on 11/24/2008 9:09:05 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: dbacks

There is a LOT more going on here than just an Immigration raid and bankruptcy.

Agriprocessors Inc. ran an illegal enterprise that violated Federal and State laws on child labor in hazardous occupations, tax laws, failing to pay overtime wages, failing to report severe workplace injuries and on employing undocumented aliens. There were questions about exactly how “Kosher” thier product was, too.

PETA vowed to shut this company down, as a show of strength to other kosher slaughterhouses. Plus, kosher meats from South America are coming in at 10% of US labor costs!


36 posted on 11/24/2008 9:11:30 AM PST by tcrlaf (You Voted DEMOCRAT-You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!)
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To: bcsco

I forgot about the child labor violations. Hang ‘em all.

Though I don’t keep kosher, I am Jewish and it bothered me to no end that a place that’s supposed to provide kosher food was involved in hiring illegals, child labor, and animal torture. If you believe in an fair wage for labor, how do you exploit illegals just to decrease wage costs? In addition, there are videos on YouTube of the slaughterers taking out the cows’ tracheas. That’s not part of Jewish ritual slaughter. There was nothing Jewish or even humane about how that plant treated workers or the animals.


37 posted on 11/24/2008 9:12:42 AM PST by radiohead (Buy ammo, get your kids out of government schools, pray for the Republic.)
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To: tcrlaf

I’m glad someone else mentioned the treatment of animals here. Last time I did that, I got all kinds of grief.

For those who are interested, see: If This is Kosher, short version at: http://www.goveg.com/jsfkosher.asp.

You’re correct, this isn’t new and I don’t care who’s doing the investigations, the place needed to be closed down.


38 posted on 11/24/2008 9:17:08 AM PST by radiohead (Buy ammo, get your kids out of government schools, pray for the Republic.)
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To: Between the Lines; radiohead

There’s a lot more to this story than a plant being hit by immigration laws. This place was a fraud itching to be caught for a long time. Its management deserves what is dealt to them.

As for the legal employees, that’s what happens when you’re part of an illegal adventure; knowingly or not. What’s in the back of my mind is that loss of the other “major” employer in the area, the other meat processing plant in 2003 due to fire. Hmmmmmmm...


39 posted on 11/24/2008 9:17:14 AM PST by bcsco (Liberals don't understand, it's impossible to pick up a turd-like Obama-by the clean end...)
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To: george76
"If we don't get some help from the state or federal government, we're going to be in deep trouble financially,"

That's the only solution these kind of people know: "Give me taxpayer money!"

40 posted on 11/24/2008 9:17:58 AM PST by TChris (So many useful idiots...)
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To: george76

I don’t feel sorry for them, and the owners should be in jail.


41 posted on 11/24/2008 9:18:37 AM PST by Scythian
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To: george76
The town doesn''t have 389 unemployed "legal" people who needed jobs and therefore the company can still operate?

People in that part of the midwest typically drive 20 miles one way to grocery shop. They drive even farther for available jobs. The problem is the company would rather punish the town and create pressure to legalize illegal aliens than actually solve the problem by hiring from the local legal labor pool.

42 posted on 11/24/2008 9:21:09 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: george76
The town doesn''t have 389 unemployed "legal" people

With only a population of 2,200, I would say no.........Sounds to me like the place employs the whole town.

43 posted on 11/24/2008 9:21:50 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson)
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To: george76
The town doesn''t have 389 unemployed "legal" people who needed jobs and therefore the company can still operate?

If you were the avg libsheep, getting paid, say, 1200 a month for doing nothing (some gov't dole) or had to work in a meat processing plant for 2000 a month take home...

44 posted on 11/24/2008 9:23:10 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: dbacks

Agree. If immigration laws were enforced and all employers played by the rules, labor costs would rise, but so would prices the meat processors could charge for their product, as the competition would not be undercuttng them with illegal labor. Demand would also increase, as American workers would have more purchasing power, and all the wealth being sent abroad by illegals would remain in our economy.

If a product or service cannot be delivered with legal labor, and still turn a profit, then there is insufficient demand for that product or service, and some or all providers of it should go out of business, and production decreased or stopped entirely. If a product or service is REALLY needed, there will be demand for it, at a price that turns a profit.

Cheaters, like those who hire illegal labor, screw up the workings of the market, and create a situtation where it is difficult or impossible for law abiding companies to make a profit.

The government’s primary role in the economy should be ensuring that everyone plays by the rules. The market will take care of nearly all the rest.


45 posted on 11/24/2008 9:23:14 AM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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To: Gay State Conservative

the minimum wage does kill jobs


46 posted on 11/24/2008 9:27:11 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: george76

The problems with Agriprocessors and its owners went way beyond employing illegals. This was an organized crime operation from day one, and the town should never have tolerated it. Now the town’s original residents are reaping what they sowed.


47 posted on 11/24/2008 9:28:03 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: dbacks

The owner is in jail.


48 posted on 11/24/2008 9:39:58 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Gay State Conservative
“So the plant had to shut down? Why? Pay US citizens $8/hr and they'll do the work.Yes,the product may have cost a little more but at least an attempt could have been made.”

The government shut them down. There are criminal charges being brought against the company. Sorry, NO “attempt could have been made”.

49 posted on 11/24/2008 9:48:14 AM PST by monday
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To: bassmaner

Hey, hey, now. Easy with the slurs.


50 posted on 11/24/2008 9:51:03 AM PST by prismsinc (AIP works for ME!!!!)
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