Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Guest Opinion: Fr. Jay Scott Newman in the Lion's Den
Catholic Online ^ | 11/22/08 | Rev. Dwight Longenecker

Posted on 11/22/2008 6:31:54 AM PST by tcg

Perhaps Father Newman's statement could have been more nuanced. He could have clarified the matter by adding that, for it to be a serious sin, the Catholic needed to be fully knowledgeable about the Catholic Church's teaching on abortion and Senator Obama's voting record on the issue. However, this was not a pontifical statement written for the instruction of all Catholics in America; it was a bulletin column in a parish where there has been steady and consistent catechesis on the whole range of Catholic issues, including abortion.

(Excerpt) Read more at catholic.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholicchurch; catholicvote; obama; priests
As America descends further into decadence and decline, the lines will be drawn between the forces of darkness and the forces of light.
1 posted on 11/22/2008 6:31:54 AM PST by tcg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: tcg
Good article; the author divided emails received into 4 categories:

1. Loyal 2. Lame 3. Defiant 4. Demonic

These last paragraphs seem of import.

But the "defiant" category makes up the largest number of our respondents, and is the saddest category of all. Statistics show us that these are the Catholics who sealed Obama's victory. They are people who were poorly catechized over the last 40 years in America. They have been nurtured in the Protest Generation and told that it is fine, even noble, to disagree with the Church. They have been taught to act according to their conscience without taking the trouble or time to inform it.

Caught up in the trendy agendas of the day, they have jumped on the bandwagons of feminism, environmentalism, homosexualism, socialism, and sentimentalism -- mistaking their favorite cause for the Catholic Faith. When they are confronted with clear, concise, and consistent Catholicism they are shocked and angry, and their response is (if they haven't done so already) to leave the Church, preferring their own wisdom to the wisdom of God.

In the next 20 years, this sort of Catholic will become extinct. As America descends further into decadence and decline, the lines will be drawn between the forces of darkness and the forces of light. People will have to choose whether to serve God and His Church or the dark side. Catholics will have to choose to be fully committed or not. If they choose to be Catholic, let them be informed and involved and integrated. If they choose to leave the Church, then they should be honest and stop referring to themselves as Catholic.

Yes, we need the "red blooded Catholicism". This is what it should be. The Holy See stays with rightful thought but it breaks down as it is filtered down.

Personally, I think on a local level, there is an "avoidance" to offend the "defiant." Funds and the likes are worried about. I do respect they walk a fine line. I'm not okaying those worries, I just understand it to an extent. As has been said in these forums, it seems they enjoy having churches that are full. I do see this dilemma.

2 posted on 11/22/2008 7:00:37 AM PST by RGPII (I wouldn't want to be bothered by an ineligible president.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: tcg

>>But the “defiant” category makes up the largest number of our respondents, and is the saddest category of all. Statistics show us that these are the Catholics who sealed Obama’s victory. They are people who were poorly catechized over the last 40 years in America. They have been nurtured in the Protest Generation and told that it is fine, even noble, to disagree with the Church. They have been taught to act according to their conscience without taking the trouble or time to inform it.<<

And whose fault is it for instructing them that way? Amd wasn’t this all a part of “opening the windows” after Vatican II?

It’s a little late for putting the genie back in the bottle - BUT you can still save the current generation. Bring back the old Baltimore Catechism. Insist on orthodoxy - not Liberation theology.


3 posted on 11/22/2008 8:49:53 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Pray for LIFE!

Guest Opinion: Fr. Jay Scott Newman in the Lion's Den
U.S. Bishops Cut All Funding to ACORN, Activities Funded Hard to Determine

Pew Study Finds Less Than One Percent of Election Coverage Included Abortion
Douglas Kmiec: Barack Obama More Catholic Than Previous Pro-Life Presidents
Newman in the Lion's Den (For taking care of business.)
How Tom Daschle Might Kill Conservatism [Obamacare: make us dependent, then how to shrink gov't?]
Obama Selecting Most Anti-Life&Family Rads He Can Find-plans to dismantle protection for marriage
Cardinal Stafford Stands by Criticism of Obama
Catholic Church Warns Obama of War between administration and Church
Kmiec: Barack Obama More Catholic Than Previous Pro-Life Presidents (Total Moron Alert)
Bishop discusses reasons behind cutoff of ACORN funding
A Pro-Life Nughtmare: Daschle Appointed as the new Secretary of Health And Human Services
Planned Parenthood CEO Claims Cardinal O'Malley Out of Step With Catholics
Pro-life movement: Both ends against the middle
Catholic Bishops finally step up against abortion Democrats
Catholic Caucus: How to Fight FOCA with all resources of the Church
Fr. Newman Responds to Diocesan Concerns about Pro-Abortion Voting Letter
What Catholics Can Expect
Election Part I: “We Have No King But Caesar [Obama?]” (Reality Alert)
Pope says Catholics in politics must follow faith

Vatican cardinal: Obama is 'Aggressive, Disruptive and Apocalyptic'
AmP Poll: Was SC priest right to suggest confession for Obama voters? [Catholic Caucus]
OKAY OF EMBRYONIC CELL RESEARCH WILL INTRODUCE HIDDEN DANGER..PROPHESIED AS 'COMPARABLE' TO ABORTION
Finally, a Religious Leader with Guts
Bishop Blasts Pro-Choice Politicians (Bishop from Biden's "hometown")
SC priest: No communion for Obama supporters
Our Pastor is in the news because of this article
SC priest: No communion for Obama supporters
Voting bishops [Catholic Caucus]
On the end of Catholic Hospitals

Catholic professor'Kmiec] draws protesters Conservative voted for Obama
Catholic Church drops ACORN funding
Obama has first telephone conversation with the Pope
Catholic bishops will fight Obama on abortion
Catholics gird for fight with Obama on abortion, Paterson, NJ bishop takes a leading role
Jill Stanek: Moving On After Barack Obama, How a Disabled Boy Restored My Pro-Life Fire
Catholic Bishops Urge Huge Anti-FOCA Campaign to Stop Abortion Expansion (Might Close Hospitals)
Abortion and Euthanasia Bringing about the Demise of Catholic Health Care: Catholic Obstetrician
To accept abortion is to challenge God, Lord of all things...
USCCB: Church should oppose FOCA 'early and often,' Niederauer (Pelosi's Archbishop) says

Cardinal [George]: Obama's Presidency Heals Racism, Now Time to End Abortion
CNN’s Rick Sanchez: Does the GOP ‘Have to Be Anti-Abortion’?
Catholic bishops plan to forcefully confront Obama
Niece of Martin Luther King Jr.: "The Dream" Is Not Yet Fulfilled
Barone: Media wanted Palin abortion
New York Subway Riders Respond to Ad and Share Post-Abortion Grief, Agony
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr's Niece{Dr. Alveda King]: Abortion Means Obama Doesn't Fulfill Dream
Bishops to present concerns on abortion, other issues to politicians
Kneeling Before the World [Catholic Caucus]
Fr. Frank Pavone of Priests for Life Receives Post-Election Death Threat

Barone: 'Liberal media' wanted Palin to abort
BISHOPS APPROVE BLESSING FOR CHILD IN THE WOMB
FIRST THINGS: Obama and the Bishops
Head of U.S. bishops says no compromise on abortion
Washington Post Admits Bias for Obama, Calls Pro-Life Policies "Offensive"
Washington Post Admits Bias for Obama, Calls Pro-Life Policies "Offensive"
Novena for the Protection of the Unborn
Carving Out a Better Respect Life Position
Prez Herod (post election reflection)
Wash Post: Pro-Life Views "Ideologically Offensive"

Election of Obama a Disaster for Pro-Life Fight in EU and Africa: Prominent Kenyan Physician
Bishops will not skip debate on abortion and politics
Obama's Startling Reaction to Funeral Service for Baby Killed After Failed Abortion
MCCL [MN's largest pro-life organization] achieves nearly all pro-life goals in 2008 election
No "Presidential sleight of hand" on stem cells
Voting for Reproductive Freedom (NYT pro-abort alert)
Abortion Groups Confident Obama Will Push His Pro-Abortion Agenda
Obama reviews Bush orders on stem cells, drilling
Obama reviews Bush orders on stem cells, drilling (Be prepared for the gas prices to go up)
Let us Celebrate Barrack Obama, Let us Celebrate Life

Obama Positioned to Quickly Reverse Bush Actions Stem Cell, Climate Rules
Pro-Life Dem Breakthroughs (Bad News for FOCA?)
Stopping FOCA: EWTN TV w/ Gianna Jessen, Sister Nirmala, Archbishop Burke, among others(?)
Dr. Alveda King to Pro-Lifers: Forward, March
What America Has Done (Was the election about racial equality or the right to life?)
The Freedom of Choice Act: Radical Attempt to Prematurely End Debate over Abortion
Becket Fund to Award Canterbury Medal to Archbishop Charles J. Chaput, OFM Cap.
Doug Kmiec to give election ‘post-mortem’ at Calif. seminary [Catholic Caucus]
Fighting FOCA (the time to act is now!)
Billy Graham Won't Advise Obama Because of Strong Pro-Abortion Position

Bishop Carlson: Our witness must grow stronger (Statement on election results)
Back to the Drawing Board (several bishops calling for Faithful Citizenship to be overhauled)
On Eucharistic Consistency (Florida bishop urges Biden to examine conscience before Communion)
Future Obama abortion legislation will violate conscience rights, PRI president says
THERE IS STILL A GOD IN HEAVEN!
Bill Berkowitz: Religious Right Down but Not Out
Freedom of Choice Act - Election Implications
A Post – Election Reflection: Pray, Plan and Participate
Payback Time: What Planned Parenthood Expects from Barack Obama
Life will not go on

Catholic Leaders React to Obama Victory, Offer Advice
Archbishop Chaput Eager to See Kmiec Deliver a Pro-Life Obama
History, Hyperbole and Horror (Eye opening)
[Electing Obama] A Grave Mistake and an Abiding Hope
Fight FOCA (Unlimited Abortion) Sign the Fight FOCA Petition ASAP Get Involved!!
Douglas W. Kmiec on 'Obama's Miracle'
"The Killing Must End”: Christian Defense Coalition to Launch Major Post-Inaugural Pro-Life Campaign
Pro-Life Advocates Urged to Renew Efforts Against Abortion After Election Loss
Obama Pushes Abortion on Day One With Emanuel Pick
Warriors with Our Eyes Fixed on Heaven (Bishop Finn's Excellent Column) [Ecumenical]

4 posted on 11/22/2008 9:03:53 AM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: RGPII
If they choose to be Catholic, let them be informed and involved and integrated. If they choose to leave the Church, then they should be honest and stop referring to themselves as Catholic.

My hubby, SirKit, has been saying for years that there was going to be a shakeout in the Church. The lines are being brightly drawn.

5 posted on 11/22/2008 4:07:10 PM PST by SuziQ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: NTHockey
Bring back the old Baltimore Catechism.

The New Catechism is a wonderful resource. It not only presents WHAT the Church teaches, but WHY She teaches it. I believe it is much more useful for Catholics in the modern world, who need to be able to explain their beliefs to non-Catholics, and have it make sense.

6 posted on 11/22/2008 4:15:58 PM PST by SuziQ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: SuziQ

>>The New Catechism is a wonderful resource. It not only presents WHAT the Church teaches, but WHY She teaches it. I believe it is much more useful for Catholics in the modern world, who need to be able to explain their beliefs to non-Catholics, and have it make sense.<<

You may be correct; however, why was it necessary to create a NEW Catechism when there was a perfectly good one to begin with?

As to explaining the Catholic faith to others, it is infinitely more important that Catholics know what the Church teaches.

The mentality that permeated the Church in the 1960’s - “If it’s old, it’s out” - has put the Church and Catholics in the position they are in today - leaderless, faithless and ignorant.


7 posted on 11/22/2008 6:10:12 PM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: NTHockey
As to explaining the Catholic faith to others, it is infinitely more important that Catholics know what the Church teaches.

But the Baltimore Catechism didn't explain WHY the Church teaches what she does. I believe that having a more complete understanding of the Faith grounds people in it even more. With the Church under attack in the larger society, it's important for us to be able to explain why we believe what he do.

My husband and I attended several meetings hosted by Fr. Alfred McBride, who discussed the editing of the Catechism. They were great, because it showed us just how important it was to have something that post Vatican II Catholics can use when we're defending our Faith.

My b-i-l is a priest, and he uses the New Catechism in his Confirmation Preparation classes. He said it works very well, with a little tweaking, for the teenagers.

8 posted on 11/22/2008 7:52:51 PM PST by SuziQ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson