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Tennessee: (Illegal Alien) Families returning home
Chattanooga Times Free Press ^ | November 12, 2008 | Perla Treviso

Posted on 11/12/2008 8:51:15 AM PST by Tennessee Nana

In their East Lake home, Marcos Tomás and his wife, Lidia Velázquez, recently packed 10 years of their lives into cardboard boxes, preparing for their long journey back to their native Guatemala.

“My dream was for my children to study and be raised here, but the current economic situation has stolen the dream I had for my children,” Mr. Tomás said, standing in an almost empty house with a few portraits of the family on the wall and a framed painting of the words “Home Sweet Home.”

The economic slowdown, high unemployment rates and tighter immigration laws are pushing local immigrant families to head back to their native countries, local residents and community organizations say.

Victor López, owner of La Michoacana, a Mexican grocery store on Main Street that sells bus and airplane tickets, said he has noticed more people traveling south with no plans to return.

“Ticket sales have increased between 60 and 70 percent from last year and most people traveling are families, parents and children,” he said. “A lot of them say they are going back to Mexico or Guatemala because they can’t find a job here.”

Guatemalan Consul Beatriz Illezcas said the consulate in Atlanta has seen more people leaving the area, not only to other states, but back to Guatemala.

“Before, they would go to other states where there wasn’t so much persecution,” she said, referring to Georgia’s immigration laws, considered among the toughest in the nation. “But now they’re going back to (Guatemala). We’ve had a lot of people come to ask us for money because they’ve lost their job.”

The applications for Guatemalan passports have increased about 25 percent during the last three to four months, although there’s no data of how many of those are from people returning to Guatemala, said the Consul.

immigration slowdown

Although the illegal immigrant population has risen, its annual growth has slowed substantially since 2005, according to a report by the Pew Hispanic Center.

From 2000 to early 2005, the unauthorized immigrant population grew by an annual net average of about 525,000, increasing to 11.1 million. From 2005 to 2008, annual growth has averaged only 275,000, the report states.

In Dalton, Ga., Javier Delgado, who briefly owned a transportation business, said he knows a lot of people who have returned to their home countries.

“I have a lot of friends from Mexico, Guatemala, who have gone back because they say there’s no point of staying here,” he said.

“More than anything else I think it’s the economy that’s making people leave, a lot of companies are closing or cutting back hours,” said Mr. Delgado, who also works at Shaw Industries, which recently announced cutbacks of 450 employees. Mr. Delgado, however, kept his job.

Mr. Tomás first came to the United States in 1994 to work agriculture in Florida, he said. Between 1994 and 1997, he went back and forth between Guatemala and the United States twice before finally landing for good in Chattanooga.

Three years later, Mr. Tomás and Ms. Velázquez, whom he met in Chattanooga, got married and eventually had three U.S.-born children — Tania, Cesar and Cristina.

During the last eight years, the Guatemalan couple worked in chicken processing plants, carpet companies and temporary jobs until Mr. Tomás was laid off about three weeks ago from Big Horn, a saddle producer that closed.

“When we first came (to the United States), you could find a job in two or three days,” he said. “For the past two to three years, when you ask for a job, they tell you they’ll call you back, but they never do.”

saying good-bye

On Saturday, Mr. Tomás and his family waited outside La Michoacana for their ride to Atlanta, where they took the three-day bus trip back to border of Mexico and Guatemala.

Flor de Maria Velázquez, Lidia Velázquez’ older sister, made the difficult trip back home with her sister and her family.

“I came to Chattanooga about three years ago and I’ve been unemployed for almost a year,” she said in Spanish.

Flor Velázquez said she made the decision to come to the United States and leave her four children — ages 6 to 15 — behind in Guatemala with relatives after her husband died six years ago and she couldn’t afford to support them.

“But I feel that now with the help of my oldest son, we are going to be able to succeed and get ahead in life,” she said of her 15-year-old son.

With teary eyes, Mr. Tomás said good-bye to friends and family who waved at them as the white van left the store parking lot.

Although Mr. Tomás and Mrs. Velázquez were sad to leave behind the lives they had built in Chattanooga, their three children were excited to finally meet their grandparents and live in a place where they’ve heard kids can have a lot of animals.

“I’m going to have 10 dogs in Guatemala and I’m going to meet my Grandma and my Grandpa and my cousins,” eight-year-old Tania said, smiling outside the store. Her 3-year-old sister Cristina said she would own a lot of chickens.

Mr. Tomás said they will start a new life in Guatemala and work in the fields just like they did before they came to the United States a decade ago.

“It’s not easy going back. You get used to the lifestyle here,” he said. “But we’re not from here and you have to return to where you are from.”


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The applications for Guatemalan passports have increased about 25 percent during the last three to four months, although there’s no data of how many of those are from people returning to Guatemala, said the Consul. ______________________________________________

Funny...

The illegal aliens didnt worry about the need for a passport when they came here...

To go back home, now they need a passport...

1 posted on 11/12/2008 8:51:15 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten; 3AngelaD; alice_in_bubbaland; aligncare; AliVeritas; ...

Another Perla sob story PING


2 posted on 11/12/2008 8:52:50 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

GO HOME !!!!! AND STAY THERE !!!


3 posted on 11/12/2008 8:53:34 AM PST by Ouderkirk (I believe that criminals, like communists, are on their best behavior when they are afraid.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

this is a good thing

wealth, and an adjustment in personal values and goals, may be migrating back to central america

hopefully they will take root there


4 posted on 11/12/2008 8:54:18 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

“In their East Lake home, Marcos Tomás and his wife, Lidia Velázquez, recently packed 10 years of their lives into cardboard boxes, preparing for their long journey back to their native Guatemala.”

This is happening everywhere. The schools around here were whining over the summer at the lower enrollment rates. Come to find out that is because the hispanics were forced out due to the economy.

Low gas prices? Not having to hear mamacita carrying on in her native language as her whelp run wild in the local stores?

WHAT BAD ECONOMY????


5 posted on 11/12/2008 8:54:20 AM PST by Grunthor (Palin/Jindal 2012!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

If they’d just hang tight for a few more months Obama and McCain would hook them up with citizenship and wellfare check.


6 posted on 11/12/2008 8:55:05 AM PST by ryan71
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To: Tennessee Nana

That’s one of the main reasons I cancelled my LA Times subscription.

I got tired of reading about the plight of all of the illegal aliens.

Hasta la vista, Amigos!


7 posted on 11/12/2008 8:55:11 AM PST by Beaten Valve
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To: cva66snipe; DannyTN; girlangler; Grammy; hometoroost; Ingtar; Libertarianchick; lil'bit; ...

Tennessee PING

I wonder how much this has got to do with our new TN government ????????

Is the writing on the wall ??????

No Jimmy...No welcome ???????


8 posted on 11/12/2008 8:56:06 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
At least these crimigrants have someplace to go...

...unlike a lot of Americans who were born here who have been devistated by "acts of congress" et al...

...and have no place to run off to.

Illegal bastards..go-to-hell

9 posted on 11/12/2008 8:56:07 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (I am not ....him!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

These thieves to our system have been the true culprits behind the Economic Disaster.

They and the Bankers/Big Corporations that allowed them access to our health care, who sold them mortgages, who allowed them to work here illegally and let them sponge off our social services...

God help us and have mercy on our foolish lawlessness.


10 posted on 11/12/2008 8:56:17 AM PST by IreneE ("The apprehension of beauty is the cure for apathy." - my paraphrase of Thomas Aquinas)
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To: Ouderkirk

The only way we can even save what was a remnant of America is to make sure these future Democrat voters LEAVE.

HOPEFULLY the economy will continue to crash, thus causing them all to go back home. That might be the ONLY hope we have. Suffer some now to live a better life later.


11 posted on 11/12/2008 8:56:30 AM PST by Boiling Pots
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To: Tennessee Nana

Will they fix the hole in the fence on their way south?


12 posted on 11/12/2008 8:58:03 AM PST by ar10
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To: Tennessee Nana

Now that the election is over they aren’t needed here anymore.


13 posted on 11/12/2008 9:00:18 AM PST by Evie Munchkin (Sarah in 2012!)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Kill the job magnet and they self deport. A more aggressive effort to deal with illegal aliens and their scofflaw employers would improve the exodus. That might help our unemployment rates.
14 posted on 11/12/2008 9:00:58 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Tennessee Nana

Hmmmmmm....didn’t take the opportunity to learn the language, learn some job skills besides lifting heavy things, and instead insisted that the most successful culture in world history bend to accept the ways of your third world culture. And somehow things just didn’t work out for you. Imagine that.


15 posted on 11/12/2008 9:02:39 AM PST by randog (What the...?!)
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To: B.O. Plenty
At least these crimigrants have someplace to go...

Citizens are pretty much stuck with enduring the stupid consequences of our politicians. May the consequences fall most heavily on those who elected the incoming batch of fools.

16 posted on 11/12/2008 9:03:06 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Tennessee Nana

The economy seems to be doing the job the government refused to do.


17 posted on 11/12/2008 9:03:47 AM PST by Hop A Long Cassidy
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To: Tennessee Nana

Man...the news coming from Tennessee just gets better and better...Rocky Top!


18 posted on 11/12/2008 9:04:20 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Javier Delgado, who briefly owned a transportation business

That's funny. I'm going to guess he drove a gypsy cab for a couple of days before the car got impounded by the police.

Owl_Eagle

“When the stock market crashed,
Franklin Roosevelt got on the television
and didn’t just talk about
the princes of greed, he said,
‘Look, here’s what happened.’"
-Slow Joe Biden

19 posted on 11/12/2008 9:04:39 AM PST by Owl_Eagle (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Tennessee Nana

THIS IS WHAT IS GOING ON——

Some illegal immigrants are having a hard time making enough money but have saved up quite a bit and even (perhaps) had a house built in their beloved pisshole of a homeland

So they start running numbers in their head thinking - “Should I bleed slowly or should I take the loot I scored and head back to Guatemala and Mexico where I can live like a king?”

Surely you have seen the photos of Mexican illegals scampering home in vans loaded down with appliances and other boodle. Heck, that washer/dryer set may have been ripped out of the house they got foreclosed on


20 posted on 11/12/2008 9:04:56 AM PST by dennisw (Never bet on Islam! ::::: Never bet on a false prophet!)
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To: Hop A Long Cassidy
The economy seems to be doing the job the government refused to do.

The burning desert was more of a barrier than George Bush ever put up
As far as amnesty it's good that McCain lost. 
Let 0 and the Democrats get all the blame if amnesty goes through

21 posted on 11/12/2008 9:07:42 AM PST by dennisw (Never bet on Islam! ::::: Never bet on a false prophet!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Adios muchachos...


22 posted on 11/12/2008 9:09:58 AM PST by traumer
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To: Tennessee Nana

I think it’s economy driven. I hear the day labor market is dried up.

People aren’t spending as much discretionary funds waiting to see how the economic crisis shakes out.


23 posted on 11/12/2008 9:10:01 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: Myrddin
That might help our unemployment rates.

Might help keep some more dollars at home; as well. Sucks to be Western Union, though...

24 posted on 11/12/2008 9:12:11 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: IreneE
These thieves to our system have been the true culprits behind the Economic Disaster.

Awww... now why wouldja say something like that? They just want a piece of the American dream, whether they've earned it, can afford it, or are legally entitled to it.

Owl_Eagle

“When the stock market crashed,
Franklin Roosevelt got on the television
and didn’t just talk about
the princes of greed, he said,
‘Look, here’s what happened.’"
-Slow Joe Biden

25 posted on 11/12/2008 9:12:30 AM PST by Owl_Eagle (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Even in the darkest times, there always a small ray of hope.

Thanks for the very good news.

26 posted on 11/12/2008 9:13:43 AM PST by skeeter (Its Barry's fault)
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To: Tennessee Nana
From 2000 to early 2005, the unauthorized immigrant population grew by an annual net average of about 525,000, increasing to 11.1 million. From 2005 to 2008, annual growth has averaged only 275,000, the report states.

In spite of the sob stories, the numbers keep going up.

27 posted on 11/12/2008 9:17:18 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: IreneE

Don’t leave out the “house flippers” who hired them to do the drywall, the framing, the masonry, the painting. Those people were serious beneficaries of both easy mortgage money and cheap labor as they put small American contractors out of business. Blind, greedy and foolish.


28 posted on 11/12/2008 9:19:36 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: who knows what evil?

Hey folks. These people worked for practically minimum wage making food for your tables and carpet for your homes. They payed taxes. 3 American kids, who I guarantee learned English to adapt. They contributed more to our society then a bunch of others that sat on the dole for the last 10 years. I knew those type illegals and am glad they’re gone. These were good hard working people.

These people are coming here to chase a dream, which I have no idea why Repubs can’t seem to understand. You know how long it takes to get citizen status? How about 6-10 years. How many here even remember what they were doing 6-10 years ago?

Laws aren’t always moral, the reason we got rid of forced sterilization (thank you for that one Dems) and why Dr. King was imprisoned for civil disobedience. So now, we piss on 3 American citizens because of what their parents did.

Immigration isn’t going away, legal or illegal, so why not try to understand the issue other then the standard “Illegals are breaking the law” line and give props to people who try to do it right. Repubs are starting to sound like Obama-bots with their worship of illegal immigrant mantras.


29 posted on 11/12/2008 9:22:15 AM PST by lesreaper
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To: Emmett McCarthy
Many illegals are now very rich, and with zero down baby !!

Check this out, a big part of the financial crash we're in now ...

Fraudera Ranch: It's a Family Affair!

12 Quartz Ln., Ladera Ranch, CA 92694
--05/2004: purchased for $421,500.
--06/2005: purchased for $530,000 by Angelica, associate of "The Family."
--06/2005: Angelica immediately deed the title to Janneth.
--01/2006: sold to Saul the truck driver for $630,000.

--07/2006: NOD filed, Saul just committed a first payment default.
--11/2006: REO
--Total Profit: $100,000 for "The Family."

28 Quartz Ln., Ladera Ranch, CA 92694
--06/2004: purchased for $401,000
--12/2004: purchased for $495,000 by Jose Jesus, associate of "The Family."
--01/2005: Jose Jesus deed the title to Janneth (daughter-in-law).
--11/2005: sold to Carlos and Gudalupe for $650,000 (100.7% financing).

--Total Profit: $155,000 for "The Family."

31 Platinum Cir., Ladera Ranch, CA 92694
--02/2005: purchased for $451,500.
--06/2005: purchased for $533,000 by Angelica, associate of "The Family."
--12/2005: Angelica then deed title to Janneth (daughter-in-law).
--01/2006: sold to Saul the truck driver and Jose (son-in-law) for $630,000. La niña Jessica Edith was the agent.
--07/2006: NOD filed, another first payment default for Saul.

--11/2006: REO.
--Total Profit: $97,000 for "The Family."

35 Palladium Ln., Ladera Ranch, CA 92694
--11/2004: purchased for $397,000
--06/2005: purchased for $499,000 by Wendy, associate of "The Family."
--09/2005: Wendy then deed the title to Janneth (daughter-in-law)

--12/2005: sold to Saul the truck driver and Jose (son-in-law) for $625,000.
--09/2006: NOD filed. Possibly the third first payment default for Saul.
--01/2007: REO.

--Total Profit: $126,000 for "The Family."

5 Rumford St., Ladera Ranch, CA 92694
--10/2003: purchased for $381,500.
--02/2005: purchased for $540,000 by Juan, associate of "The Family."
--06/2005: Juan then deed the title La niña Jessica Edith.
--12/2005: sold to Jose Jesus (friend to "The Family") for $660,000 using 97% financing.
--09/2006: NOD filed. Another first payment default?
--01/2007: REO.
--Total Profit: $100,200 for "The Family."

35 La Salle Ln., Ladera Ranch, CA 92694
--06/2003: purchased for $594,000.
--11/2004: purchased for $735,000.
--04/2006: sold to Janneth (daughter-in-law) and Arnulfo (unknown relation) for $902,000 at zero down, 100% financing.


2 St Gilles, Ladera Ranch, CA 92694
--09/2003: purchased for $533,500.
--03/2006: sold to Papa Guillermo and Mama Rosa Maria for $900,000.


5 properties, each discovered and purchased by an associate to "The Family." Each then deeded to a member of "The Family." Each of the 5 properties are then sold to another member of "The Family" via non-MLS transactions. Following the "sales," the properties then go through first payment defaults and revert to the lenders as REO's. Along the way, the properties are rented to unsuspecting renters for some rent-skimming. Grand total profit for "The Family" with the 5 properties: $578,200.

It appears the last two properties on La Salle and St Gilles are not following the pattern of the 5 Sutter's Mill condos. Have "The Family" found their forever home in The OC? Certainly with close to $600,000 in profit, "The Family" will have no problems paying mortgage on these two properties for quite a long time.

Obviously Papa G and his family are not the only ones out there pulling this stunt. The question is how many Papa G's, how many Sutter's Mills, and how much moolah in total.


30 posted on 11/12/2008 9:26:30 AM PST by Scythian
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To: lesreaper

I must have missed the part where it said they were being deported.


31 posted on 11/12/2008 9:30:32 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Scythian

I have read and heard some about these schemes. There is absolutely no telling how much money has made this scam circuit back into the pockets of thieves - foreign and domestic. Now, that they’ve stuck Americans for the money, they can go back home and live like royalty. I guess.


32 posted on 11/12/2008 9:30:48 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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33 posted on 11/12/2008 9:33:32 AM PST by OnTheDress (His legacy is a stain on the dress.)
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To: lesreaper
so why not try to understand the issue other then the standard “Illegals are breaking the law” line

We are a nation of laws....it's that too difficult for you OBL's?

34 posted on 11/12/2008 9:38:45 AM PST by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98...Ain't no Newbie!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

I just got a tear in my glass eye.


35 posted on 11/12/2008 9:43:31 AM PST by 09Patriot (I am a MILITANT Conservative, compassionate conservativism got us NOWHERE)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Don’t let the door hit you ...............


36 posted on 11/12/2008 9:44:25 AM PST by utax
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To: lesreaper; Liz; AuntB

Dear Troll,

These people are ILLEGAL ALIENS...

Feel free to take a few home with you ...

Feed them,

put them in your master bedroom...

Offer them your teenage daughter...

Let them drive your best vehicle...

Make your children speak Spanish only around them...

and so on...

Sarcastically,

Nana


37 posted on 11/12/2008 9:50:46 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Owl_Eagle

That makes me sick to my stomach.

Get out of my country, you child-molesting, murdering, drug-dealing, drunk-driving, job-stealing ba$tards!


38 posted on 11/12/2008 9:50:51 AM PST by radiohead (Buy ammo, get your kids out of government schools, pray for the Republic.)
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To: lesreaper

Okay, Mr. Open Borders....how many? How many foreign nationals do you want let in here legally each year?


39 posted on 11/12/2008 9:53:49 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: lesreaper

tell your story walking bud.


40 posted on 11/12/2008 9:55:42 AM PST by 09Patriot (I am a MILITANT Conservative, compassionate conservativism got us NOWHERE)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


41 posted on 11/12/2008 9:56:12 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: Scythian

When it came to immigrants doing housing fraud and sxcames...

It was the legal ones doing it a lot more than the illegals


42 posted on 11/12/2008 9:59:47 AM PST by dennisw (Never bet on Islam! ::::: Never bet on a false prophet!)
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To: Evie Munchkin

Yep, they did their damage and we are stuck with it.


43 posted on 11/12/2008 10:01:06 AM PST by this is my country
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To: lesreaper
They payed taxes

Really? Income taxes on their under-the-table below-minimum-wage earnings?

Or by "taxes" do you mean sales tax?
44 posted on 11/12/2008 10:13:03 AM PST by chrisser (The Two Americas: Those that want to be coddled, Those that want to be left the hell alone.)
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To: lesreaper
They contributed more to our society then a bunch of others that sat on the dole for the last 10 years.

Prove it.

45 posted on 11/12/2008 10:13:12 AM PST by donna (Sarah Palin: A Feminist, not a Conservative.)
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To: Scythian

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/35-La-Salle-Ln-Mission-Viejo-CA-92694/61499747_zpid


46 posted on 11/12/2008 10:19:48 AM PST by dennisw (Never bet on Islam! ::::: Never bet on a false prophet!)
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To: lesreaper

You are nuts. Go back to Obama land


47 posted on 11/12/2008 10:21:16 AM PST by dennisw (Never bet on Islam! ::::: Never bet on a false prophet!)
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To: Ouderkirk
...“My dream was for my children to study and be raised here, but the current economic situation has stolen the dream I had for my children”...

That is interesting, because your presence in my country, along with your family and the rest of your cohorts, has stolen the dream that I had for MY children.

And I daresay my children are more entitled to their dream than yours are, as long as you occupy my country, recieiving benefits, set-asides, and preferences that my child is denied. Oh, that I pay for, also.

48 posted on 11/12/2008 10:23:50 AM PST by I Buried My Guns
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To: this is my country
Yep, they did their damage and we are stuck with it.

Looks like these 'Americans' didn't want to stay and tough it out with the rest of us once the gravy train ran dry. Will they have to pay an export tax on all those goodies they are taking back to the mother country with them? Didn't think so...

49 posted on 11/12/2008 10:33:42 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Evie Munchkin

:)


50 posted on 11/12/2008 10:33:56 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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