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Santa Cruz Sentinel ^ | November 9, 2008 | Robert Vatuone

Posted on 11/09/2008 3:30:58 PM PST by Seadog Bytes

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To: Seadog Bytes

BTTT


61 posted on 11/10/2008 12:49:58 PM PST by E.G.C. (Click on a freeper's screename and then "In Forum" to read his/her posts)
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To: Seadog Bytes

Please add, keep me on. Thanks


62 posted on 11/10/2008 12:55:16 PM PST by norwaypinesavage (Global Warming Theory is extremely robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it)
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To: Seadog Bytes
Many thanks for the ping, Seadog. As others noted, farmfriend used to keep us updated on several relevant constitutional issues. Please keep me on your list; I may nor reply to all but I am grateful to read and gather more info to flesh out my opinions.

I also found a link to Half Moon Bay | Beachwood Information ^ -- the top three (they're pdf files) give the current state of affairs and the details of the new agreement. The $41.6M has been bargained down to $18M+, but there are still several hurdles in the way before this saga concludes; the GreeNazi's are still in pursuit.

63 posted on 11/10/2008 2:50:46 PM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Carry_Okie; brityank
FYI... info at 63 of 63 ...thanks to brityank.
64 posted on 11/10/2008 3:18:29 PM PST by Seadog Bytes (OPM - The Liberal 'solution' to every societal problem. (Other People's Money))
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To: Tired of Taxes
RE: Water under the bridge

Yes, I am afraid you're right, there.


65 posted on 11/10/2008 3:38:54 PM PST by Seadog Bytes (OPM - The Liberal 'solution' to every societal problem. (Other People's Money))
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To: OneWingedShark; GladesGuru; BenLurkin; ProtectOurFreedom; El Gato; KarlInOhio; BlazingArizona; ...
Just checking...

Invitation at 55 on this thread, if you haven't yet seen it...

...Please FRmail me if you want to *added* to the updated "Property Rights" list.

(...Just ignore this if not. ...No pressure!)

Thanks!

66 posted on 11/10/2008 4:42:27 PM PST by Seadog Bytes (OPM - The Liberal 'solution' to every societal problem. (Other People's Money))
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To: Seadog Bytes

Sure it wasn’t under a Williamson Act long term open space contract? If so, the owner has agreed to keep it in open space in exchange for a tax break. It takes from 10 -20 year to get out of the contract. Earlier out must be in the public’s interest.

Doesn’t sound right. It is such an obvious takings unless there is some flood hazard or other factor (like protected habitat) they are using to prohibit other uses and development. If it is habitat, there is a new case (I believe it is Casitas Municipal Water District v. United States, Case No. 2007-5153 - Fed. Cir. Sept. 25, 2008) that ruled a taking of property (water use right) for diversion to the benefit of an endangered species. http://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/opinions/07-5153.pdf This brings up all sorts of new 5th Amendment possibilities.


67 posted on 11/10/2008 4:50:23 PM PST by marsh2
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To: KarlInOhio

“If it were my property, I would immediately turn it into a poison ivy farm.”

I like your plan, but unfortunately poison ivy doesn’t grow in California. Please amend your plan for “poison oak”.


68 posted on 11/10/2008 5:02:19 PM PST by EggsAckley
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To: martin_fierro

“Keep Santa Cruz Weird”


69 posted on 11/10/2008 5:04:44 PM PST by EggsAckley
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To: Seadog Bytes

California needs to finish sliding off our continent and ally itself with whichever socialist country that will accept it.


70 posted on 11/10/2008 5:28:05 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: EggsAckley; freebilly; hedgetrimmer
Was out for my Evening Constitutional tonite and saw a great bumper sticker:

IMPEACH SANTA CRUZ

71 posted on 11/10/2008 5:31:15 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: martin_fierro

That’s very funny!


72 posted on 11/10/2008 6:12:01 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: marsh2
Here is some background info...

http://www.scsextra.com/story.php?sid=42858

http://www.scsextra.com/story.php?sid=80624

http://www.scsextra.com/story.php?sid=80697

There are quite a few more articles available at the 'search archives' page for the local newspaper:
http://www.scsextra.com/archive/search.php?search=1&query=par+3&x=23&y=6

...and a Google search on +"Aptos +"Par 3" will doubtless provide more.

This has been going on for a number of years. I have not been following it closely, but IIRC the county has managed to block any proposal which made economic sense for the owners. The local political climate is notoriously 'no growth'. The property sits between current housing and the freeway, and on alternate days, county personnel will wax eloquent on the 'desperate need for affordable housing' in the local area.

You can also go here...:
http://www.topix.net/city/aptos-ca/2008/10/supervisors-vote-to-keep-aptos-par-3-site-as-open-space/p2?threadid=VFQK74651NFNU0V5

...for some 'discussion'. If you 'read between the lines', you'll definitely get the 'flavor' of what is really going on... or you can just go to the top of this thread again for the 'executive summary'.

73 posted on 11/10/2008 6:16:35 PM PST by Seadog Bytes (OPM - The Liberal 'solution' to every societal problem. (Other People's Money))
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To: marsh2
Oh... and if you want to see what OTHER kinds of twisted things routinely happen around here, read up on 'Travis vs County of Santa Cruz'.

Here is a quick read on it
http://www.lsnc.net/cases/?p=104
...but, if you're a legal eagle, you may need to do a little more research to get the full 'flavor' of it.

Oh, and you might want to take a look at California’s Costa-Hawkins Act (Civ. Code, §§ 1954.50-1954.535) for additional reference on 'rent controls'.

...Have fun!

74 posted on 11/10/2008 6:42:36 PM PST by Seadog Bytes (OPM - The Liberal 'solution' to every societal problem. (Other People's Money))
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To: elkfersupper
RE: "California needs to finish sliding off our continent and ally itself with whichever socialist country that will accept it."

Well, until it does, if you visit, you may want to bring along a 'hard hat' to protect yourself against the risk of falling (eco)nuts...


75 posted on 11/10/2008 6:56:42 PM PST by Seadog Bytes (OPM - The Liberal 'solution' to every societal problem. (Other People's Money))
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To: Seadog Bytes

Aye! :)


76 posted on 11/10/2008 9:01:34 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (Obama, WHO is Bill Ayers and WHY are you still friends with him? Please RSVP asap!)
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To: Seadog Bytes

Thanks for the ping!


77 posted on 11/10/2008 9:41:54 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Seadog Bytes

on please


78 posted on 11/10/2008 9:51:34 PM PST by bigfootbob
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To: Carry_Okie

Your link caused me to spend a lot of time researching something I really could care less about previous. Thanks. It is interesting watching a humbled city government trying to undo their own damage. LOL! This is great.


79 posted on 11/10/2008 10:18:28 PM PST by Engineer_Soldier (I will defend our CONSTITUTON against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC!)
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To: Seadog Bytes

Thanks for the, “God Bless Our Troops” banner. I leave for Iraq in 26 hours and people like you make it all worth leaving my wife and five kids for almost a year. Thank you!


80 posted on 11/10/2008 10:23:55 PM PST by Engineer_Soldier (I will defend our CONSTITUTON against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC!)
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