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To: Keith Brown

What does reach out and adapt mean, exactly? Look more like democrats and basically toss conservatism under the bus?

Maybe I don’t understand this because I’m more of a Reagan conservative with a libertarian stripe, not necessarily a social conservative. In that light, Friedman is still quite relevent to today’s world.

I’ll probably be flamed for this one, but I think that in some respects we took social conservatisim too far, and perhaps that’s why people look at ‘conservatives’ as... what you said:

“Right now we are portrayed as white christian homo haters who’d rather molest kids at church or attack some minority than eat our red meat dinners.”


19 posted on 11/06/2008 6:36:01 PM PST by dajeeps
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To: dajeeps

I agree (I am socially conservative), but this party needs a new direction. Not necessarily pro-choice, but less culture “warriorish.” The issues like abortion may be moot in four years anyways, with a leftist controlled supreme court. We need to turn skepticism of people in their 20s and 30s from organized religion to that of government.


21 posted on 11/06/2008 6:41:47 PM PST by bubbrubb
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To: dajeeps

“What does reach out and adapt mean, exactly? Look more like democrats and basically toss conservatism under the bus?”

No! We have to define what conservatism is to the masses, instead of letting our enemies define us.

“Maybe I don’t understand this because I’m more of a Reagan conservative with a libertarian stripe, not necessarily a social conservative. In that light, Friedman is still quite relevent to today’s world.”

Actually we are not far apart.

“I’ll probably be flamed for this one, but I think that in some respects we took social conservatisim too far, and perhaps that’s why people look at ‘conservatives’ as... what you said:”

“Right now we are portrayed as white christian homo haters who’d rather molest kids at church or attack some minority than eat our red meat dinners.”

I agree. With you and your point. Instead of the “homo haters” as the left is so successfully painting us, we have to define what we are...like Chuck Heston said “I recognize homosexuality, but I dont celebrate it.”

Even Jesse Ventura(whom I dont like) had 2 great lines when a special interest group was trying to force a free college initiative past him.

“Giving away 2 years of college will turn a higher learning institute into the 13th and 14th grade”

“You dont want people to pay for this, because then you will have to pay for it for the rest of your lives....Dont ever forget,

If the government is going to do it for you

they are going to do it TO you!”

That’s just an example.

We could talk about taxes, guns, the evils of our world enemies,....

Example....socialism sounds GREAT! But here’s how it reall works(or doesn’t) and talk about Canada, and Europe.

We hear about “racial profiling” and wire tapping” but we can point to how the FBI used those tools to stop obama from getting slaughtered, not two weeks ago.

The leftys are tapping into the sincerity of our younger generations then twisting it into bad.

“Dont you want to make the world a better place?”

Sure!

“then recycle glass!” But first we need tax money to build the recycle plants and punative laws for those who done cooperate.

Whereas I’d ask “why recycle glass?” “Is the world running out of sand?”

Is that making sense?


30 posted on 11/07/2008 12:06:13 PM PST by Keith Brown (Among the other evils being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised Machiavelli.)
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