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Gambling Capital Is Flush With Empty Houses
Washington Post ^ | October 30, 2008 | Joel Achenbach

Posted on 10/29/2008 8:52:09 PM PDT by Lorianne

LAS VEGAS There are 6 million empty homes in the United States. Or 6.2 million, to be slightly more precise. Empty houses are normal to some extent -- part of the usual friction of building, selling, renting. But ask the people who study the numbers, and who understand the "overhang" in housing inventory, and they'll tell you: This country has about a million homes too many.

The solution, local executives say, will come not from Washington policymakers but from the market itself. When there are too many houses, builders stop building them. That has already happened, and many Vegas home builders have gone out of business. Construction workers, meanwhile, suddenly find themselves dealing blackjack.

People here have concluded that the reestablishment of a functioning housing market will require pain and patience. And sometimes a bulldozer. At one development in Henderson, the model homes suddenly looked too luxurious for the post-crash economy, said Kipp Cooper, government affairs director of the Greater Las Vegas Association of Realtors. So the builder obliterated them and put up more modest, cheaper model homes.

Things are bad in a housing market when a "tear-down" is a house too nice to be left standing.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: bubble; clarkcounty; financialmeltdowm; lasvegas; realestatebubble
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What a waste of materials and labor and energy! Why didn't he just sell the fancy homes for the same price as the cheaper ones? And then build cheaper model homes.

The mind boggles!

1 posted on 10/29/2008 8:52:11 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

At least in times like this, why on earth does anyone need to go
to Las Vegas?

Just tune into CNBC Mon-Fri.
AFTER you take your heart meds and make sure you’ve got plenty of
Maalox (sp?) and Pepto-Bismol on hand!!!

(And I’m not knocking Las Vegas...I don’t want it to tank as a
family friend and his wife are teachers out there.)


2 posted on 10/29/2008 8:58:54 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Lorianne

Any Las Vegas small newer homes going in the 70K range or less?

Not a condo, who cares about condos?


3 posted on 10/29/2008 9:04:28 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: VOA

at least in Vegas, you know the odds of winning. On Wall Street, you have no idea if the table is even level on any given day.

But on the housing issue, Vegas is one of four markets which has been blacklisted by banks. They simply don’t lend here anymore. Unless you are an A+ borrower and putting down a very sizeable downpayment don’t bother trying to get a loan. If FHA won’t take you, you’re likely doomed. I’ve seen millionaires get denied loans. Literally.

As long as the banks won’t lend, we can’t even sell the loads of foreclosures on the market. It’s a Catch 22 for Vegas and for the banks. But the banks could solve it tomorrow and that is the idea of the Treasury/Fed forcing the banks to borrow money from the Fed and put it out on the street (or else....).

By next year, everything will be back to something normal. And people will keep moving to Vegas because housing will be cheap again.


4 posted on 10/29/2008 9:07:51 PM PDT by bpjam (I don't see my country on TV. Which America are they showing?)
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To: bpjam
Unless you are an A+ borrower and putting down a very sizeable downpayment don’t bother trying to get a loan

But the banks could solve it tomorrow and that is the idea of the Treasury/Fed forcing the banks to borrow money from the Fed and put it out on the street (or else....).

So you want the banks to be forced to lend taxpayers money to people without good credit and a sizeable down payment. You do understand, don't you, that this is exactly what caused the financial crisis in the first place?

5 posted on 10/29/2008 9:16:55 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: VOA

You go for business — conventions, symposiums, etc.


6 posted on 10/29/2008 9:18:19 PM PDT by durasell
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To: VOA

You go for business — conventions, symposiums, etc.


7 posted on 10/29/2008 9:18:28 PM PDT by durasell
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To: bpjam
at least in Vegas, you know the odds of winning. On Wall Street,
you have no idea if the table is even level on any given day.


LOL! I'll drink to that!!!
Seeing how occassionally crooked casino operators end up being
capped by girlfriends or frustrated by the gaming commission there
in Nevada.

On Wall Street, monumental jerks fly huge companies into the ground,
walk away with golden (h-ll, PLATINUM) parachutes...and they only
have to secure their "buckets of money" by crying crocodile
tears in front of a Congressional committee.
Mafia capos that screw up as bad as that wouldn't live out the year.
Heck, maybe a day!!!

On basic ethics/morality...I would entertain the premise that
Las Vegas gaming houses are up the scale from many of the head
honchos of Wall Street!
8 posted on 10/29/2008 9:18:52 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Lorianne

Anyone know about condos in/near the French Quarter in New Orleans?


9 posted on 10/29/2008 9:19:26 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: bpjam
Bankers seem to be some of the dumbest, most hide bound people on earth. They could have mitigated the forclosure problem early on by refinancing the bulk of adjustable rate mortgages and the lower values and fixed rates that people could afford. Yes they would have taken a loss, but at least they would have income coming in on them, and they would have lost less than they have by foreclosing. Instead, they have empty houses, and a market flooded with bank owned properties. The properties go do hell due to being empty, and drop in value even further. Eventually they will end up selling them for even less to investors who will fix them up and rent them, then sell once the market turns around. Meanwhile Realtors with first time buyers stay away from the banks and deal with homeowners because the houses are better maintained and the institutions are simply too much trouble to deal with.
10 posted on 10/29/2008 9:23:33 PM PDT by Hugin (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: durasell
You go for business — conventions, symposiums, etc.

Agreed...I can see that angle.

My comment was really more about what a roller-coaster,
turn-on-a-dime-no-a-penny ride that the stock markets have
become in the last month or so.

As I said in my appended remarks, I wasn't bashing LV...as I
know a couple of people that live/work there after moving on
from their home in Oklahoma.
11 posted on 10/29/2008 9:23:36 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Prokopton

That’s thinking like the banks. All of a sudden, EVERYone has bad credit and is not worth lending to, despite the fact that 95% of us pay our bills on time.


12 posted on 10/29/2008 9:48:02 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: VOA

In my opinion, Vegas is probably the best place in the world to do business. To a very large degree, the hotels are targeted to business travelers. So, the restaurants are excellent, conference centers well appointed, and business centers on the ball. These are no small things.

And yes,there’s gambling and all kinds of partying, etc., but all that doesn’t matter if you’re not doing business. I can’t tell you the number of guys I know who love vegas for business and don’t gamble or drink.

Example, if you’re hashing out a deal and need a pot of coffee at 2am, you can get it. Not so in other cities. I’ve actually had to send someone out to the local convenience store to get coffee late at night in a major city.


13 posted on 10/29/2008 9:52:06 PM PDT by durasell
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To: durasell
As long as I don't have to do a meeting there in the middle of summer, I'm OK with LV.

I wish the GOP would do a convention there for a change.

14 posted on 10/29/2008 9:53:36 PM PDT by Clemenza (PRIVATIZE FANNIE AND FREDDIE! NO MORE BAILOUTS!)
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To: VOA

If you blow all your money in Vegas, they will give you free drinks.

If you blow all your money on Wall Street... yeah, the windows open on the 27th and 40th floors.


15 posted on 10/29/2008 9:55:24 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: Rembrandt
Anyone know about condos in/near the French Quarter in New Orleans?

Lots of historical properties were actually going for $400K immediately prior to Katrina (two bedroom apartments in historical houses, pricey for NOLA). Since prices have plummeted, it shouldn't be so hard to pick one up if you have the cash. I would check elsewhere on the net, or check in with some LA freepers to get the skinny on the market there right now.

16 posted on 10/29/2008 9:56:47 PM PDT by Clemenza (PRIVATIZE FANNIE AND FREDDIE! NO MORE BAILOUTS!)
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation
That’s thinking like the banks. All of a sudden, EVERYone has bad credit and is not worth lending to, despite the fact that 95% of us pay our bills on time.

Yes, it's about time banks start thinking like banks. Credit, collateral and character. If all three are good they'll lend you money. I, and most the people I know, are inundated with solicitations to lend us money. Mortgages, home equity loans, car loans, business loans, consolidation loans, they are all easy to get, and at great interest rates, for people with good credit.

Banks are lending money every day. The bailout is about banks lending to each other which many refused to do because of the bad credit risk. Banks can only make money buy loaning out their deposits and they are still doing it.

17 posted on 10/29/2008 10:12:05 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Lorianne

The Washing Post expects me to sign up to read the linked article. I don’t think so. No thanks but no thanks.


18 posted on 10/29/2008 10:35:39 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
This may be worth a click.
19 posted on 10/29/2008 10:44:31 PM PDT by Lexinom (They fight for ideology. We fight for our families.)
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To: A CA Guy
Any Las Vegas small newer homes going in the 70K range or less?

Boy, that would be a deal..Considering a new higher end pickup truck goes for about $45,000. LOL!

20 posted on 10/29/2008 10:49:44 PM PDT by dragnet2
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