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Obama’s New Tax Welfare
National Review ^ | 10-21-08 | Peter Ferrara

Posted on 10/21/2008 5:48:48 AM PDT by SJackson

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I don't know, protectionism and a sharp bump in taxation of the evil rich (25% to 64%) worked great for Hoover, why not try it again?
1 posted on 10/21/2008 5:48:48 AM PDT by SJackson
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“One, it is meant to draw attention from the real core of the Obama tax plan: proposed increases in every major federal tax. Two, the structure of the cuts will create perverse incentives. And three, many of the people receiving “tax cuts” don’t pay taxes to begin with, meaning they’ll be in effect getting welfare.”

Hm, this almost sounds like the economic stimulus package being proposed again.


2 posted on 10/21/2008 5:51:03 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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3 posted on 10/21/2008 5:52:29 AM PDT by johnny7 ("Duck I says... ")
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To: Slapshot68

4 posted on 10/21/2008 5:53:45 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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Don’t forget Obama’s 845 billion dollar “Global Poverty Tax”. And that’s not even giving money to American deadbeats, but deadbeats across the globe.......


5 posted on 10/21/2008 5:56:42 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (Wealth is not mayonnaise, Barack..........)
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To: SJackson
... the structure of the cuts will create perverse incentives...

The road to hell is lined with good intentions.

6 posted on 10/21/2008 5:57:15 AM PDT by GOPJ (Obama's people are thuggy - all charm if you're with them - all fist if you're not...)
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To: johnny7

Sorry, but you mislabed that.

It should be “Time to get laid”.


7 posted on 10/21/2008 5:57:42 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: GOPJ
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
8 posted on 10/21/2008 5:58:45 AM PDT by GOPJ (Obama's people are thuggy - all charm if you're with them - all fist if you're not...)
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To: SJackson
Remember these words.

A government big enough to give you every thing, is big enough to take it all away..
Ronald Reagan.

9 posted on 10/21/2008 6:00:17 AM PDT by just me (JELLY BEANS AND WINKS AMD PLUMBERS)
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To: old curmudgeon
“Time to get laid”

That transcends politics...

10 posted on 10/21/2008 6:10:43 AM PDT by johnny7 ("Duck I says... ")
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What I can't understand, and this question is applicable to many other voters as well:

Look at Florida. Full of elderly retired people living on investments, most of which will be affected seriously by BO’s tax plan.

Many of these elderly retired are Jews, who have been very successful during their years in business and who face the triple threat of being taxed heavily during their retirement years, seeing Israel sold out and losing the ability to pass on all of their wealth to their children.

The last of the three is no small thing, as Jews have the strongest family ties of any group I know of.

But still they are all for BO because he is a dim.

How can elderly people in general, who by that age have seen their share of con men, and Jews in particular who in general are more savvy than others, be taken in by this total fraud? The retirement community in Florida should be enough to put that state in the McCain camp, yet it will not. You can find a similar group in almost every state; farmers in the agricultural areas, hunters, heavy manufacturing, etc., all facing major changes for the worse under BO, yet they will vote for him because he is a dim or because they hate Bush. If the nation is collectively that stupid, it deserves what it gets. Those of us who know better will just have to sit in the back of the bus until the nation comes to its senses.

11 posted on 10/21/2008 6:13:46 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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Not sure about getting laid, but those of us who actually pay taxes are going to get SCREWED. . . .


12 posted on 10/21/2008 6:17:25 AM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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No.

Screwed is when you are not getting it out of love.

Laid is when you asked for it and love it.

Apparently the nation as a whole falls into the latter group.

In the group that wants to get laid, there are many who will learn the meaning of next morning remorse.

13 posted on 10/21/2008 6:24:19 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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I may be playing the devils advocate, but why should I turn down a decrease in my taxes? People making over $250K wouldn't hesitate. If we want to make it right push a fair tax or flat tax. The "rich" have more pull to get it going but Im assuming less incentive.
14 posted on 10/21/2008 6:24:53 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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The answer to your question is really easy.

“I may be playing the devils advocate, but why should I turn down a decrease in my taxes? People making over $250K wouldn't hesitate.”

By far, most of those who will vote for BO make much less than $250,000.

I suspect that they make less than $100,000.

So it is only a matter of time until the “rich” bracket will be adjusted to.....what? $60,000? $40,000?

BO has voted already to raise taxes on all over $42,000 so that is an indication of his thinking.

But the point is that anyone who would tell so many bald faced lies can't be trusted on his statements about taxes.

One of his worst, and maybe the worst, is the lie that he would campaign on government financing.

What makes this such a serious lie is the way this election is playing out. BO is buying this election with the expenditure of unreal amounts of money.

If he wins, it will be with a bought election. Everything from $830,000 to ACORN to register fraudulent voters to TV and radio ads at a rate unprecedented and unimaginable only a year ago.

15 posted on 10/21/2008 6:43:06 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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Obama’s tax plan will hit home when gasoline goes quickly to $5 per gallon as his windfall profits tax, new carbon taxes and a total ban on new drilling in the US all take hold. It will be fun watching the media spin meisters trying to explain why when Lord Obama punished the big oil companies for making too much money the price of gasoline went up and many pension plans took a further hit as oil stocks plunge.


16 posted on 10/21/2008 7:46:32 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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Florida certainly has an outsized population of retirees, but the overwhelming majority are non-Jews (like over 95% of the state’s population) and the overwhelming majority won’t be impacted by Obama’s tax increases.


17 posted on 10/21/2008 10:48:17 AM PDT by SJackson (I don't believe that people should be able to own guns, BH Obama to John Lott)
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Of course they are not all Jews.

My point was that all of them added up amounts to a significant number of voters.

What do you mean they will not be affected by BO’s tax plan?

A 33% increase on dividends will affect everyone who has a retirement plan heavily invested in stocks, and most 401’s do.

Mine is a private plan and it is split between stocks and various other less volatile investments, but nevertheless, dividends are important.

18 posted on 10/21/2008 2:39:27 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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Under Obama's plan tax rates on dividends and capital gains remain at 15% for those with under $250,000 in income, they're only increased over that threshold. Which imo will drop. I doubt the number of retirees above $250,000 income is significantly higher than workers, and probably lower.

Income from your 401K and retirement plan will be taxed as regular income, regardless of whether it was earned from dividends or capital gains, when you take distribuions. Under McCain's plan the rate on distributions from retirement plans would drop, I believe he's suggested to 10%, but the GOP doesn't seem to want to talk about that.

The reason to oppose Obama's redistribution plan is that it's pure Marxism, not socialism, something retirees should be able to relate to having witnessed the ravages of Marxism, but the GOP doesn't seem to want to discuss that either.

19 posted on 10/21/2008 3:40:22 PM PDT by SJackson (I don't believe that people should be able to own guns, BH Obama to John Lott)
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Simple arithmetic holds that if one-third of earners don’t pay income tax, it’s impossible to cut taxes for 95 percent of earners.

I have heard Obama people say that the 95 percent of earners includes people paying payroll taxes, and therefore it is mathematically possible.

I'm not sure if they are telling the whole story. Can someone shed more light on ths?

20 posted on 10/22/2008 6:12:43 AM PDT by murdoog (http://babydoc3.livejournal.com)
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