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At Morgan Stanley, Outlook Darkens(The sharks are circling closer ??)
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Posted on 10/09/2008 7:13:08 PM PDT by maccaca

The sharks are circling closer to Morgan Stanley.

Shares of the financial behemoth sank 26% Thursday as concern escalated among investors about its future. Morgan Stanley depends on heavy borrowing and holds risky securities. The stock has plunged 77% this year to a 10-year low. Hedge-fund clients have pulled nearly 40% of their money from the firm in recent weeks. The cost of protecting against a Morgan Stanley default has surged. The firm can't issue new debt

Morgan Stanley is hoping to ease the pressure with a planned $9 billion investment in the firm by Japanese bank Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group Inc., set to close Tuesday. Though the deal appears to be on track, investors are worried because Mitsubishi's purchase price of $25 a share now is roughly double Morgan Stanley's closing stock price Thursday. With Morgan Stanley shares so low, the $9 billion commitment for 21% of the firm two weeks ago could now buy a 65% stake.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: financialmarket; morganstanley; wallstreet

1 posted on 10/09/2008 7:13:08 PM PDT by maccaca
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To: maccaca

anyone think the MS deal will be renegotiated or scrapped? With the fall in share price, it seems to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. MER also had a sheer drop around 3pm that totally left the ~.735 ratio to BAC behind as well, straight down 3 points.


2 posted on 10/09/2008 7:16:02 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: maccaca

We have just about hit bottom. Once they get the LIBOR rates under control ( next 24 hours) the market should stabilize.

This market collapse makes no sense. To shed $2 trillion over $1 trillion of bad mortgages is insanity.

The market should tank in the morning but stabilize in the afternoon.


3 posted on 10/09/2008 7:16:24 PM PDT by Perdogg ("That One" for President - of Kenya, Say no to Barack Odinga)
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To: Perdogg

The SEC STILL has not reinstituted the uptick rule on shorting. Morgan, Goldman, Bear, Lehman and others in
their prime brokerage business provided trading and credit to hedge funds so the hedge funds could cut their throats.

As Marx said, a capitalist will sell you the rope to hang him with. Morgan and Goldman ran to the SEC to beg for no shorting of their stocks. It was lifted today and they got slammed.

Chris Cox is out of his league at the SEC.


4 posted on 10/09/2008 7:20:47 PM PDT by Frantzie
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To: maccaca

>> Morgan Stanley’s closing stock price Thursday. With Morgan Stanley shares so low, the $9 billion commitment for 21% of the firm two weeks ago could now buy a 65% stake.

“Wercome to Nippon Morgan Stanrey!”


5 posted on 10/09/2008 7:22:32 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (I've left Cynical City... bound for Jaded.)
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To: maccaca
Barney how many companies and employees have you wiped out wit you bogus mortgages?
6 posted on 10/09/2008 7:23:10 PM PDT by scooby321 (Cai)
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To: Perdogg

I’ve read that foreign holders of U.S. Bonds are cashing out and the market is following that.

Money/credit is getting VERY tight.


7 posted on 10/09/2008 7:23:53 PM PDT by randita (Keep our own FR safe - stop the DBV's (Drive By Vanities).)
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To: randita

once the overnight rates are backed, LIBOR will come down and stability will set in.


8 posted on 10/09/2008 7:25:27 PM PDT by Perdogg ("That One" for President - of Kenya, Say no to Barack Odinga)
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To: Perdogg
"The market should tank in the morning but stabilize in the afternoon."

Are you trading on that advice?

The World markets are collapsing. Nothing will stop it until there is more money to be made on a small recovery of 1500 points. This is a tidal wave of grief. It is mentally painful to watch it unfold.

9 posted on 10/09/2008 7:26:11 PM PDT by Afronaut (It's 1984)
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To: WoofDog123

I told my MS broker today: You’d better learn Japanese.


10 posted on 10/09/2008 7:27:55 PM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Without the Mainstream Media, the Left is Nothing.)
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To: Afronaut

yes.


11 posted on 10/09/2008 7:28:24 PM PDT by Perdogg ("That One" for President - of Kenya, Say no to Barack Odinga)
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To: Perdogg

Just put on a strangle or a straddle on the SPY index, you can trade those all day long.


12 posted on 10/09/2008 7:39:44 PM PDT by Afronaut (It's 1984)
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To: Perdogg

The bottom!!??
This crash is all about derivative swaps. We are focusing on the housing market when the real epicenter of the problem is blowing a titanic size hole in our ship. The MSM wants you to think it’s about subprime.


13 posted on 10/09/2008 7:42:35 PM PDT by mpstan
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To: maccaca

Morgan Stanley Dean Witter IS the company that hired Bubba to speak shortly after he pardoned 400+ miscreants then got his “out of office” card. Immediately after MSDW announced they had hired Bubba, as you’ll recall, they lost about 1/4 - 1/3 of their total capitalization.

If they go down the terlet, it couldn’t happen to a more deserving turd of a company! Enjoy the flush!!! And enjoy the feeling.


14 posted on 10/09/2008 8:02:57 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: Rembrandt

Are you kidding? Morgan Stanley’s hardly a leftist organization, and one speaking appointment doesn’t change that.


15 posted on 10/10/2008 5:58:32 AM PDT by Arguendo
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To: Afronaut

told you!


16 posted on 10/10/2008 12:39:58 PM PDT by Perdogg ("That One" for President - of Kenya, Say no to Barack Odinga)
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To: Perdogg

Hope you did well. Good call but the timing was the key all day. Waiting for the payout @ 3:10 was a killer. I did OK today, I stayed long for Monday, Nov calls, SPY. Keeping my fingers crossed. Better upside payout right now than downside. But not by much.


17 posted on 10/10/2008 8:18:04 PM PDT by Afronaut (It's 1984)
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To: Afronaut

Is the market opened on Monday (Columbus Day) ?


18 posted on 10/10/2008 8:37:45 PM PDT by Perdogg ("That One" for President - of Kenya, Say no to Barack Odinga)
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To: Rembrandt
Yes, I remember Morgan Stanley Bubba Speech thread. It was over 150 replies long. People were keep reporting that they just pulled their account or about to. I knew MS took a hit, but did not know that 1/4~1/3 of their capitalization was vaporized because of that incident.

Wow, that was one nasty hit.

19 posted on 10/13/2008 12:34:48 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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