Posted on 09/28/2008 10:59:32 AM PDT by DGHoodini
Just heard it reported on MSNBC that "4 of the 17 Hoston area refineries that were taken off line, and were damaged to varying degrees by Ike, were "stiil down"". And it is these refineries that are the cause of the shortages in the mid eastern states, and that while on the downside of the hump, it will probably take another week to 10 days before supply lines are operating at normal capacity. But before then, Virginians should expect to see *their* gas stations reflect shortages for a brief time too.
One step at a time.
Instant dinners and digital clocks screwed this country more than folks realize.
Hope that they get them online quickly and build about 50 more.
Huh? Instant dinners and digital clocks? ‘Splain, Lucy!
MM
Things take time.
Digital Clocks-No time between seconds
Instant Dinners-I want it now.
Might not be right on the mark.
Oh my...NO gas shortages here in Houston...we’ve got plenty of gas.
Okay, thx for explaining. I get it.
Massive impatience and unrealistic expectations are indeed a natural outgrowth of our instant-everything society. Natural disasters can be painful reminders that some things still take time.
MM
Digital Clocks-No time between seconds
Instant Dinners-I want it now.
Might not be right on the mark.
You're correct. Here in the South, we trace the beginning of the present situation directly to the introduction of canned biscuits. ("Whop biscuits", because you WHOP the can on the edge of the counter to open them.)
Real biscuits, like everything else, take time and effort.
Canned biscuits ruined this country. (Instant sweet tea was the final nail....)
The wife still makes biscuts from scratch (took her awhile , was rough when we first married) and sun tea is in the fridge.
Instant tea is more than this boy can handle.
ROLL TIDE
If this shortage is extending that far north, why could you by one drop of gas within 100 miles of DC the day after Ike?
Sounds like someone is trying to create a shortage in Virginia by fanning panic buying.
Need new rule:
Drill States GET gas...
Non-Drill States get in line...
Articles from the past few days about the shortages in the NC/GA areas. One delay is the time it takes to flow the product to those areas via the pipelines which can be at 3 to 5 mph.......
NC
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2090193/posts
GA
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2090477/posts
Don’t know enough about it to give a confident answer. But considering what another poster put up, it would seem that there would have been enough in the pipelines allready, to last for a while, after Ike hit....it only travels at 3 to 5 mph in the pipelines hunh? That’d be a pretty fair chunk of time to get from Texas to South Carolina...
Well down here in Houston, Texas we refine the stuff too, so just hold on while we refill our generators (that we are using to see what we are doing) and pick-em-up trucks (that we use to drive through the flood waters and over downed trees and power lines), so we can get back to sending more gas and diesel your way.
Just don’t bi+ch about the price at the pump, as the real price is paid by hardworking Gulf Coast Texans that may not have a roof, power, drinkable water, working sewage, if they even have a house left, who showed up to work the day after Ike hit, just so you can have gas.
Good news. Now we need to build some more.
Not true. There are 9 refineries in the Greater Houston Area.
BP - Texas City, TX
ConocoPhillips - Sweeny, TX
Deer Park - Deer Park, TX
ExxonMobil - Baytown, TX
Houston Refining - Houston, TX
Marathon - Texas City, TX
Pasadena Refining - Pasadena, TX
Valero - Houston, TX
Valero - Texas City, TX
All were taken down by Ike.
There are 4 refineries in the Port Arthur area:
ExxonMobil - -Beaumont, TX
Motiva - Port Arthur, TX
Total Petrochemicals - Port Arthur, TX
Valero (formerly Premcor)- Port Arthur, TX
All were taken down by Ike.
One of the three refineries in Lake Charles, LA (Calcasieu) was taken down by Ike.
U.S. Department of Energy
Office of Electricity Delivery & Energy Reliability
Hurricane Ike Situation Report # 6
http://www.oe.netl.doe.gov/docs/2008_SitRep_6_Ike_091608_3PM.pdf
September 16, 2008 (3:00 PM EDT)
And what would you push it out with? In needs more refined product to displace the refined product in the line. Those pumps don't move air.
So, what are you suggesting? That the gas that they had from immediately after Ike struck, came from elsewhere? That since there was no new gas being pumped in to the pipeline, in Taxas, that there are no pumping stations along the pipeline? That all the positive pressure in the entire pipeline comes from the originating refineries? What conspiracy do yo see being played out? That they actually have gas, and that the shortage is a contrived one? That there was a secret Georgia based SPR that was tapped and has now run dry?
Port Arthur is close enough to Houston geographically, in a national sense, to be considered “in the Houston area, is it not? The person on tv that I saw, was not being meticulous with his specifics, as I have heard a fluctuatiion of the number of refineries between 13 and 14. It *was* a second hand report. Not so much exacting, as general. I have since read, that even the ones declared “back online” are in varying stages of production output, many running only at about 50% output....You take what you can get...If they are up and running, even at 50%...that still beats the heck out of not being up and running at all.
Gas is also being brought into the Houston area from other parts of the country, notbaly from refineries in Illinois/Indiana. A freinds son owns his own rig and has a haz-mat ticket. He’s been hauling tankers of gasoline down there as fast as he can get turned around. The DOT has temporarliy extended the max drive time between breaks from 10 to 18 hours for the guys pulling those loads.
You are reading too much into my words. The volume in the pipeline remains in the pipeline. You only get product out by putting more product in.
No. Port Arthur to Houston is about the same distance as Baltimore, MD to Philadelphia, PA.
person on tv that I saw, was not being meticulous with his specifics, as I have heard a fluctuatiion of the number of refineries between 13 and 14.
Then why did you type 17?
I have since read, that even the ones declared “back online” are in varying stages of production output, many running only at about 50% output....
True. As of Friday, none of the Houston & Port Arthur refineries were up to full output.
http://www.oe.netl.doe.gov/docs/2008_SitRep_19_Ike_092608_12PM.pdf
that still beats the heck out of not being up and running at all.
No doubt. We will see substantial improvement this week.
Spoken like a true Pompeian.
Could it be be ause that’s what *they* said?
The talking head said 4 of 17 refineries offline due to Ijke, were still offline. In a different report, I heard a talking head say that 13 had been “put back online”...In yet a different report, I heard that “all but one refinery, had had power restored to their facilities”. Obviously, the information is fluid and incomplete, from all three sources, but all hold elements of the truth.
Daily details of each specific refinery status and many other energy related impacts from this storm can be found at:
http://www.oe.netl.doe.gov/named_event.aspx?ID=20
click “expand window” see all the previous reports.
I'm currently working an upgrading project at one of the refineries with the worst damage. I have been keeping close tabs on their status.
Just don’t bi+ch about the price at the pump, as the real price is paid by hardworking Gulf Coast Texans that may not have a roof, power, drinkable water, working sewage, if they even have a house left, who showed up to work the day after Ike hit, just so you can have gas.
My the Lord bless ya.
Just don’t bi+ch about the price at the pump, as the real price is paid by hardworking Gulf Coast Texans that may not have a roof, power, drinkable water, working sewage, if they even have a house left, who showed up to work the day after Ike hit, just so you can have gas.
May the Lord bless ya.
I appreciate that. You’re working with statistics, and i’m having to settle for the “public consumption” reports that are relayed by public relations flaks that hit the news outlets. Not sayin they are lying, but thety also don’t particularly want to get into dry statistics either. They just want to give enough general overview, to keep us peasants from revolting. ;o)
Not really statistics but specific refinery reports. I understand most are not interested enough to look at the details.
Today’s update was posted since my last link. Total of 7,503,309 BPD refining in both hurricanes’ impact area.
In summary as of 9/29/08 10:00 AM EDT:
3,624,589 BPD full output
2,196,500 BPD running at partial output
1,171,720 BPD starting, should be partial output soon
424,500 BPD still shut down
http://www.oe.netl.doe.gov/docs/2008_SitRep_20_Ike_092908_12PM.pdf
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