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White House presses for action on bailout (Scandal brewing from Barney Frank in bailout bill)
la times ^ | 9/23/2008 | Peter G. Gosselin and Richard Simon

Posted on 09/25/2008 8:39:31 AM PDT by milwguy

In addition, Frank wants to make it easier for bankruptcy judges to modify the terms of "nontraditional" mortgages -- such as those that start with low interest rates that later reset to higher ones -- to make them easier for homeowners to afford.

Such a move, which would partially reverse a tightening of bankruptcy rules approved by Congress only two years ago, is adamantly opposed by the lending industry.

Frank and fellow Democrats also want the administration to declare support for a new economic stimulus package atop the $100 billion in tax rebates sent out earlier this year. Such a package, however, would be handled separately from the bailout legislation.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bailout; barneyfrank; congress; corruption; housingbubble; mccain; obama
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OK folks...here is what you need to know about what Barney is trying to do. In plain terms his idea to........ 'make it easier for bankruptcy judges to modify the terms of "nontraditional" mortgages'.........means a judge can REWRITE the terms of the mortgage and FORCE the holder of the mortgage to accept those terms. For instance, in bankruptcy proceedings a homeowner who is being foreclosed on because he can't sfford the payments can convinve the judge to alter the terms to save his house. Sounds great huh? The worst offenders in the huosing mess, who bought more house than they could affor, who did not make their payments, will be rewarded. That 3 year ARM which just reset to 9% interest can magically be transformed into a 30 year mortgage at 5% by a judge.

The law of unintended consequences here will be huge. Why should those of us who followed the rules, who made their payments not get the same deal as the least responsible among us? We may as well stop paying for our houses and petition the court for better terms as well.

This bill is a scam being foisted on the American people, and rewards the bad, while punishing the good. This is not capitalism, it is another step towards socialism, with the gov't taking from you and I and giving to those it deems more in need.

Disgusting

1 posted on 09/25/2008 8:39:33 AM PDT by milwguy
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It also threatens solvent institutions by incentivising people with adjustables to declare bankruptcy.


2 posted on 09/25/2008 8:43:31 AM PDT by p. henry
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Is that what the Stimulus package Pelosi is talking about is going to be?????????


3 posted on 09/25/2008 8:44:43 AM PDT by LegalEagle61 (If you are going to burn our flag, please make sure you are wearing it when you do!)
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4 posted on 09/25/2008 8:45:34 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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I do agree that people should be able to have a judge look at the terms of a mortgage. I know how the process works and the flutter of paper, the reassurances to the buyer and sometimes outright lies. Barney’s idea is horrible but I doubt it if any one who was selling and profiting from ARMs emphasized the danger to the individuals involved. I don’t think they should be bailed out unilaterally but many of the people who had these ARMs did indeed pay their mortgages until they grew to the point that they had to choose between no paying them or buying essentials. Banks would be more cautious granting these horrible loans if they knew they could be reviewed by a judge.


5 posted on 09/25/2008 8:48:00 AM PDT by Maelstorm (This country was not founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a government check!")
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Salomon Smith Barney Frank, We make money the old fashioned way.....WE PRINT IT!.................


6 posted on 09/25/2008 8:48:49 AM PDT by Red Badger (I'm gonna use "Sarah!" from NOW ON since Hillary uses "Hillary!"......)
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To: milwguy

If this is what he wants to do, reset everyones interest rate to 5%.


7 posted on 09/25/2008 8:50:26 AM PDT by RC2
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In addition to what you said, bank already have that ability, they need not involve the judiciary at any level. AND the majority of “arrangements made” by folks who go that route, end up failing to keep the arrangements anyway. Not all, but most. So it is just a “prolong the inevitable”.
8 posted on 09/25/2008 8:50:51 AM PDT by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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All the dims who made this happen should be tarred/feathered and run out of DC on a spiked rail.

For the gutless repubs who stood by and allowed it, pehaps public whipping would suffice.
Guilty, every one.
9 posted on 09/25/2008 8:51:12 AM PDT by GeneralisimoFranciscoFranco (I love liberals. They taste like chicken.)
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"All the dims who made this happen should be tarred/feathered and run out of DC on a spiked rail. For the gutless repubs who stood by and allowed it, pehaps public whipping would suffice. Guilty, every one."

Two Words:

TERM LIMITS

10 posted on 09/25/2008 8:54:29 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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worse...it gives the judge the ability to set the terms. Who knows what some bankruptcy judge in New Orleans is going to do for his neighbors? 3%, 5%, 7%????


11 posted on 09/25/2008 9:00:44 AM PDT by milwguy (........)
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The consensus of opinion appears to be shaking out pretty decisively: Do Nothing - Paulistas, Randians, and the gold'n'ammo crowd.

Do Something, but not THIS something - the vast majority of conservative commentators, true conservative legislators, owners of successful and well managed banks, and objective economists. And me.

Do the Paulson Plan Right Now - George Bush, Ben Bernanke, Hank Paulson, Chris Dodd, Chuck Schumer, congressional Democrats in general, and people who have profited/intend to profit from the leverage/derivatives shell game.

12 posted on 09/25/2008 9:02:16 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (I'll back the bailout if Angelo Mozilo lets me borrow his Lamborghini on Saturday nights.)
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Awful, awful, awful. Sixteen years ago, I bought my first home FHA. Six months later, I lost my job and I was a single parent. I had an ARM that went up every year. I was out of work for two years and never was late on a payment. I just lived very, very simply.


13 posted on 09/25/2008 9:04:11 AM PDT by twigs
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Then the same judge could decide the homeowner got too good of a deal and should have to pay a higher interest rate.
Let’s extend the idea to car loans, the dealer is going bankrupt so a judge can rewrite all the sales contracts and raise the prices of vehicles retroactively until the dealer is solvent again. Sound like a way to right the wrongs of too generous deals.


14 posted on 09/25/2008 9:04:36 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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Let’s see. I refinanced twice since I obught my house in 1998. I currently have a 15 year mortgage at 4.875%. I spend less than 12% of income on mortgage. I understood the terms when I signed the paper, and have little sympathy for those who used their house as an ATM and now cry foul about their interest only ARM’s.

If a bank wants to redo the terms, it should be their decision, not a judge who decides.


15 posted on 09/25/2008 9:04:54 AM PDT by milwguy (........)
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To: Notary Sojac

great analysis. Count me in the second group. Don’t know how to field dress a moose yet, and a poor shot as well.


16 posted on 09/25/2008 9:06:55 AM PDT by milwguy (........)
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For some years we have had the poorly named “earned income tax” which is outright stealing from the productive at the point of a gun. The money is redistributed to the working poor. Usually poor with a number of children.

Where was our outrage?

57 million Americans can vote on who will lead this country, yet they have zero income tax. It’s like walking into a Microsoft shareholders meeting and telling them how they are going to run the company when you own no stock.

Where was our outrage?


17 posted on 09/25/2008 9:13:45 AM PDT by listenhillary (Community organizing has brought Wall Street to it's knees.That WAS the plan, right?)
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I have a 5.8% 30 year fixed....so I can default and get it re-set to 5%...great...


18 posted on 09/25/2008 9:24:50 AM PDT by spokeshave (0bambi wants to kill babies and raise taxes, Sarah wants to raise babies and kill taxes)
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I agree that it is not fair, but if we can keep people in their homes and paying something, then these loans will not be part of the problem.

The other alternative is foreclosure and the government buying these defaulted mortgages at too high a price to bail out well connected people. This might actually be worse in my opinion. If we cannot force the lenders to renegotiate with the buyers, the best possible outcome would be for the government to buy these mortgages at low cost (ten cents on the dollar) and resell them at a better time. Do you agree?

19 posted on 09/25/2008 9:26:20 AM PDT by EEDUDE
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I have a 5.8% 30 year fixed....so I can default and get it re-set to 5%...great...

I like the way you think!!!! I figure it would take 3 months or more to hit foreclosure status, by not paying $1,400 a month...DAMN!!! I could wipe out all my other debt in and have a lower interest rate when Uncle Sugar picks up my tab.

Oh man, the alarm clock just went off. Now I have to get out of bed and go to work. It was a nice dram though.

20 posted on 09/25/2008 9:39:42 AM PDT by glaseatr (Father of a Marine, Uncle of SGT Adam Estep. A Co. 2/5 Cav. KIA Thurs April 29, 2004 Baghdad Iraq)
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