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Was Obama's 50 state Strategy a Mistake? (yes!!!)
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Posted on 09/14/2008 11:58:50 AM PDT by WilliamReading

Some scattered thoughts on the ponderable above:

1. Thave been some particular resource allocation decisions made by the Obama campaign that I've been skeptical of from the get-go. The one that always stood out was Georgia, with the criticism stemming from Electoral Portfolio Theory 101. Namely: while it was possible to conceive of a world in which Georgia went blue, it probably wasn't going to turn blue before North Carolina, and it certainly wasn't going to turn blue before Virginia. Obama very probably will have won the election if he wins Virginia, and he'll certainly have won the election if he wins both Virginia and North Carolina. So the resources deployed to Georgia are arguably redundant; it was hard to think of Georgia as providing better than about Obama's 320th electoral vote, even under the best case scenario.

2. Arguably also, the Obama campaign was too eager to defend certain states, such as Maine and perhaps Washington.

3. There is also one state that the Obama campaign arguably missed from his group of 22, which is West Virginia. Our tipping point model has always liked West Virginia because it is so demographically unique. It is easier to conceive of Obama winning West Virginia while losing a state like Virginia (if, say, he gained traction by positioning himself as a populist) than to conceive of his winning North Carolina or Georgia while losing Virginia. And what if Obama had selected Hillary Clinton to be his running mate? The two states that I think would have come into play almost immediately were West Virgina and Arkansas, but Obama had no real field presence in either state.

4. If the intention was to draw resources out of the McCain campaign, Steve Schmidt certainly didn't take the bait, never really venturing into states like Indiana or Montana.

5. But clearly, the post-convention electoral map appears to have been affected heavily by the choice of Sarah Palin, which fired up the Republican base and returned traditionally red states back to the red column. If McCain had instead picked, say, Mitt Romney, who ran poorly in the South during the primaries, it is much easier to conceive of North Carolina becoming an interesting state. If he had picked an insider like Joe Lieberman or Rob Portman, it is much easier to conceive of Montana, which doesn't like Washington DC candidates, becoming fertile ground for Obama.

6. Indeed, perhaps one of the reasons that McCain picked Palin was precisely because the Republicans were having trouble in states like Montana and Indiana. So maybe Obama did not bluff McCain into opening a field office in Kalispell, MT, but he might have scared him into thinking that drawing the Republican base together with the VP was a necessity, even if Palin may eventually present problems for him in other areas.

7. One further point to consider is whether polling generally becomes more partisan as the election nears. That is, was it in some sense inevitable that North Dakota would turn more red? My guess, after peeking at a bit of 2004 data, is that there probably is some tendency for states to "partisanize" themselves as the election draws closer, but nowhere near the scale of movement that the Republicans seem to have gotten post-Palin.

8. Keep in mind that the resource allocation choices made by the Obama campaign aren't necessarily focused on the goal of getting him elected President. They may also be motivated by a desire to expand the party's reach in future election cycles, or to help Democrats in downballot races.

9. Finally, this entire discussion is premature to some extent, since we don't yet know to what if any extent Obama's ground game advantages will be worth something. Take a state like Indiana, where Obama has an enormous field presence and McCain has almost none. I doubt that there has ever been such an imbalance of resources in any one particular state in the modern era; game theory would dictate (I think) that allocations of resources between different states ought to be about equal between the two major parties. What if the disparity is worth 3 or even 5 points above and beyond what is reflected in the polls? Then Indiana could very well be a tipping point state, and Obama's decision to set up shop there would look like a stroke of genius.

Lastly, a quick note. I'll be on the road for the next couple of days and as such, posting schedules are going to be a bit erratic. We'll do the best we can and appreciate your patience.


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This website is pro-Democrat but still believe that McCain has 290 Electoral Votes versus 248 for Obama.

Obama has wasted a lot of money in places like Georgia, and Montana. Millions of dollars advertising in Florida has given them little benefit.

It will be interesting to see what states they pull out of next. Panic time.

1 posted on 09/14/2008 11:59:20 AM PDT by WilliamReading
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To: WilliamReading

No, his 57 state strategy was a mistake...


2 posted on 09/14/2008 12:01:44 PM PDT by kik5150
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To: WilliamReading

Famous Last Words:

Keep in mind that the resource allocation choices made by the Obama campaign aren’t necessarily focused on the goal of getting him elected President. They may also be motivated by a desire to expand the party’s reach in future election cycles, or to help Democrats in downballot races.


3 posted on 09/14/2008 12:02:15 PM PDT by WilliamReading
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To: WilliamReading

Obama would’ve lost Georgia even with Sam Nunn on the ticket.


4 posted on 09/14/2008 12:02:47 PM PDT by Senator Goldwater
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To: WilliamReading
No! Definitely not! Keep it up!
5 posted on 09/14/2008 12:02:48 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: WilliamReading

No, it wasn’t a mistake. It was the best thing he could have done for this country.


6 posted on 09/14/2008 12:05:16 PM PDT by Jemian (Nobama - wants to kill babies & raise taxes; Palin - wants to kill taxes & raise babies!)
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To: Senator Goldwater

He’s not going to get one vote in Euopean Georgia, tho’.....wonder if that was one of his 57 states.....


7 posted on 09/14/2008 12:05:15 PM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: WilliamReading

Actually the idea of the candidate appearing in ALL states appeals to me. It’s the idea that they can ignore half of the nation when campaigning that offends me.


8 posted on 09/14/2008 12:05:53 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: WilliamReading

Obama has made a lot of mistakes...


9 posted on 09/14/2008 12:05:54 PM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: kik5150

No, his 57 state strategy was a mistake...

You beat me to it. The first thing I thought of when I read the headline.


10 posted on 09/14/2008 12:06:10 PM PDT by BipolarBob (I overinflate my tires, so the gas fairy will fill my tank.)
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To: WilliamReading

Absolutely not. I encourage Obama to spend lots of time and money campaigning in Alaska and Alabama.


11 posted on 09/14/2008 12:06:17 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: WilliamReading

0Bama is not ready to be president. He needs to go put in a little more time in the Senate to build some experience. Being the junior Senator from Illinois doesn’t help him much.


12 posted on 09/14/2008 12:10:14 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("Troopergate" - The Revenge of the Alaskan Good Old Boys Club.)
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If the intention was to draw resources out of the McCain campaign,,b> Steve Schmidt certainly didn't take the bait...

Seriesly, This guy makes my lege tingle. ;o)

13 posted on 09/14/2008 12:11:38 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (OBAMA: He was a flop before he became a flipper.)
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To: WilliamReading

The statement about Indiana seems correct.....I’m worried about Indiana ( NEVER thought I’d say that )....but if the current trends toward McCain continue, the next couple of weeks will tell whether the worry is appropriate.


14 posted on 09/14/2008 12:12:02 PM PDT by bioprof (STRATEGERY!)
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To: WilliamReading

That Obama could win either West Virginia or Indiana is way past crack pipe hallucinations. It is ingesting some kind of sci-fi 24th century drug.

It is also hillarious that Palin is hurting McCain outside the Republican base.

It has unified the base,attracted a few feminist Hillarycrats,appealed to independent white working class folks, and caused the Left to overreach. Giving Palin teflon coating.

If they had made reasonable criticism they may have hurt Palin.But the attacks were so outrageous that people dismiss any new attacks and will dismiss any damaging revelations from “Troopergate.”


15 posted on 09/14/2008 12:13:05 PM PDT by Reaganez
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To: WilliamReading

That Obama could win either West Virginia or Indiana is way past crack pipe hallucinations. It is ingesting some kind of sci-fi 24th century drug.

It is also hillarious that Palin is hurting McCain outside the Republican base.

It has unified the base,attracted a few feminist Hillarycrats,appealed to independent white working class folks, and caused the Left to overreach. Giving Palin teflon coating.

If they had made reasonable criticism they may have hurt Palin.But the attacks were so outrageous that people dismiss any new attacks and will dismiss any damaging revelations from “Troopergate.”


16 posted on 09/14/2008 12:13:39 PM PDT by Reaganez
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To: WilliamReading
This website is pro-Democrat but still believe that McCain has 290 Electoral Votes versus 248 for Obama.

With the new laws in New Jersey and Maryland which commit their electoral votes to the winner of the popular vote national wide, for all practical purposes their votes are now McCain votes. The polling in those states is meaningless.

17 posted on 09/14/2008 12:14:48 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter(the Godfather of Terror) allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: Reaganez
But the attacks were so outrageous that people dismiss any new attacks and will dismiss any damaging revelations from “Troopergate.”

The MSM who cried wolf...or moose, in this case.

18 posted on 09/14/2008 12:15:03 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: WilliamReading
I think the biggest problem for Obama is that he and his advisers started believing their own propaganda... That is Obama is some kind of Messiah figure which would win in a Reaganesque landslide across the entire nation. They squandered resources in states that Obama will end up losing by 10+ point margins.

I read another article which said that the Obama team was regretting not taking matching funds. Since the convention his fund raising is way below projections and he may end up with less money than Mccain

19 posted on 09/14/2008 12:17:29 PM PDT by apillar
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To: WilliamReading
I was going to say ''That commentary isn't YOURS, surely.'' Whew, what a relief.

The analysis from that site...well, post it next to the Limburger cheese. It won't smell so badly by comparison.

20 posted on 09/14/2008 12:18:08 PM PDT by SAJ
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