Posted on 09/09/2008 1:10:45 PM PDT by Schnucki
Good point--we are walking a tightrope between scaring them enough to back off or rushing them into worse attacks. I better be careful what I wish for.
...a wounded Georgian officer. He stated they were engaging the Russian forces and holding their own in South Ossetia until the Russian aerial attack arrived and dropped cluster ammunition on the Georgian soldiers. They were not prepared for that type of an attack.
I think we (USA) better be sure both Georgia and Ukraine have a protected and trained air defense in country or quickly available. Lasha, thanks for the info on Chechens and 10K+ kids between ages of 18 and 21.
I have wondered if they had trouble sending Orthodox to fight against Orthodox.
Russian Nationalists barking over Georgia is no different to those U.S. politicians that wanted President Bush Snr to go all the way and occupy Iraq in 1991. You were under the impression that the Russians were on their way to link up with Iran!
The simple disposition of forces used by the Russians was insufficient to occupy the whole of Georgia. One hundred thousand troops out of the NCMD would have been required to take and hold Tiblisi. Think of all the troops that it would take to hold and occupy Georgia? Think of how many troops it would take to hold and secure the borders? Even Putin and Medvedev know that the last thing that they want is to hold and occupy an entire nation. It would have been an absolute nightmare to control and subdue the entire Georgian populace.
Take a step back and think? Why is it so hard to think that Putin and Medvedev only had limited intentions in invading Georgia? Limited to the two break away territories and in giving the Georgian President and their armed forces a bloody nose.
No doubt you think that Ukraine, Poland and the Baltic states are next on the newly revived Soviet Empire list?
It would take hundreds of thousands of troops to occupy and hold Georgia. It would be an absolute nightmare to police and maintain. Think of all the civil unrest that would face the Russians? Not even Putin or Medvedev are strupid enough to take on the entire occupation and control of an entire nation.
Far too many people thinking that the evil Soviet Empire was back without taking a step back and thinking that the Russian intentions were limited to certain key objectives.
Oh wait, that's not me, that's your story.
Go sell stupid BS somewhere else, toots, because no one here is stupid enough to buy it. Give yourself a break.
Now that makes sense and is interesting to consider for future incidents or even possible approach to likely looking occupiers.
Your responses have become completely predictable. Now, if they are predictable to me, wonder who else can predict the actions of former and current intel agents ?
The simple disposition of forces used by the Russians was insufficient to occupy the whole of Georgia. One hundred thousand troops out of the NCMD would have been required to take and hold Tiblisi. Think of all the troops that it would take to hold and occupy Georgia?
You keep repeating this canard. Georgia has 1/5 the population of Iraq. The Russians could have easily controlled it with less then 25 K. And they certainly where not going to give any of you sitting at the desk intel agents any clue.
Think of how many troops it would take to hold and secure the borders? Even Putin and Medvedev know that the last thing that they want is to hold and occupy an entire nation. It would have been an absolute nightmare to control and subdue the entire Georgian populace.
Borders. Look at a map. Only borders Russians would worry about are with Azerbaijan and Turkey. And the Russians have learned how to control rebel territory in Chechnya. Besides, you are assuming they would treat the Georgians as the US treated the Iraqis. All evidence points to the contrary.
Take a step back and think? Why is it so hard to think that Putin and Medvedev only had limited intentions in invading Georgia? Limited to the two break away territories and in giving the Georgian President and their armed forces a bloody nose.
For starters, the public statements Russian Legislators have made. Add the latest facts that these two territories are now to become part of the Russian Federation proper.
No doubt you think that Ukraine, Poland and the Baltic states are next on the newly revived Soviet Empire list?
Still with the old school thinking. Its now called the Russian Federation. And if you do not think they are currently threatening the Ukraine, there is not much I can do for you.
Sorry, but you are completely incorrect. You were incorrect from the start when you were making claims that Russia was looking to make a land bridge to Iran. You are seriously underestimating how many troops and police that it would take to hold Georgia and control its populace. It would be a complete and utter disaster. How long would it take for the Georgian populace to stir up civil unrest? How long before the first Russian troops get taken out by IEDs or re-supply convoys attacked? Russia would require hundreds of thousands of troops to hold and control the Georgian populace. If you can’t see it then that it your loss.
The two territories were the goals of the invasion. In Russian eyes it was the solution to the problem. The territory will never be Georgian again and Georgia will not have any influence over it ever again. In the process they bloodied the nose of the Georgian President and his armed forces. It isn’t my fault that you are and were blinkered to the situation.
Final words on the subject - Get back to me when they invade Ukraine!
Take a break yourself, Toots!
You’ll have to provide a source for your claims regarding Anatoly Serdyukov.
Balderdash. I still have the possibility of being right. Your predictions: a pullout weeks ago; abide the original ceasefire agreement; and only being concerned with the autonomous regions, have been proven to be completely in error. Are you not even watching the news ? Do I have to show how you have been wrong in each and every case ? Your original peace treaty was not worth the paper it was written on and even Sarkozy admits that. He just threatened to walk out on the Russians because they still fail to abide by the original peace treaty. We are now told that they will pullout by the end of the month. You and your brethren, are being taken for complete fools.
You are seriously underestimating how many troops and police that it would take to hold Georgia and control its populace. It would be a complete and utter disaster. How long would it take for the Georgian populace to stir up civil unrest?
About as long as it took the Iraqis. We sent 60,000 in to control a population 5 times the size of Georgia. We ended up with 140,000 in because we initially treated the lawless Iraqis too softly. Everyone admits that now. Not everyone in Georgia will commit civil unrest. In addition to all that, the Russians were going to use their trained troops from the autonomous regions to control Georgians. And according to the President of Georgia the Russians have been building 2 large armor bases in the autonomous regions for over a year. Wonder why they need two large armor bases in the autonomous regions ? Have your sat images shown them ? Did we not believe the President of Georgia when he tried to warn the west about them ?
How long before the first Russian troops get taken out by IEDs or re-supply convoys attacked? Russia would require hundreds of thousands of troops to hold and control the Georgian populace. If you can’t see it then that it your loss.
See it ? We Americans just lived in Iraq. We know precisely what will happen and what it will take. The Russians just succeeded in subduing Chechnya.
The two territories were the goals of the invasion. In Russian eyes it was the solution to the problem. The territory will never be Georgian again and Georgia will not have any influence over it ever again. In the process they bloodied the nose of the Georgian President and his armed forces. It isn’t my fault that you are and were blinkered to the situation.
Give it up dude. You simply do not have a decent argument.
Final words on the subject - Get back to me when they invade Ukraine!
Why ? You will have been proven to be wrong once again. I wont waste any typing on you. This is what will probably happen. First a Civil War will break out in the Ukraine. Eastern Ukraine (Crimea) against Western Ukraine. After the Ukrainians knock each other out, the Russian Armor will enter. You can just about bet money on that one Tommyjo.
OK, there is no “have to”! you could have merely asked politely!
I saw reports on TV. I could have gone, dug it up and translated this for you, but I doubt I would be providing this service to you. I think the fact that Russian’s president yesterday said they have to rearm their army in light of what happened in Georgia indicates their big failure!
More ramblings which I haven’t read! Remember to get back to me when all your predictions come true?!
Well most people post some sort of link, or complete thread on this breaking news.
The Georgian Armed Forces hadn’t a hope in hells chance against the Russian forces in completing its objectives. It was a complete mis-match from the word go! A small force from the standing forces in the North Caucasus Military District was all it took to route the Georgians. The Georgians had no answer to spearhead forces backed up by air support and artillery. There was nothing that the Georgians could do in the face of superior firepower.
And why is Russia attempting to have a blockade on future arms shipments to Georgia within the UN ? Must be that Putin's forces also got a good bloody nose. Or perhaps it was just that American flag planted on the road to Tbilisi ?
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