Posted on 08/26/2008 6:33:38 PM PDT by Salvation
With Church-state disputes swirling around the Democratic Party convention in Denver, Archbishop Chaput and his auxiliary, Bishop James Conley, set the record straight with a public statement: "On the Separation of Sense and State." Their opening lines indicate the strength of their excellent statement:
Catholic public leaders inconvenienced by the abortion debate tend to take a hard line in talking about the "separation of Church and state." But their idea of separation often seems to work one way.
In Washington, Archbishop Donald Wuerl issued his own public statement, pointing out that the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, has distorted the clear and constant teaching of the Church on the immorality of abortion. Pelosi, he observed, based his argument on "uninformed and inadequate theories about embryology" held by medieval theologians. That's right; Pelosi bases her case on the scientific-- not theological, scientific-- views of medieval teachers.
Next the US bishops' conference weighed in on the same issue, as did with a group of 10 Catholic congressmen. Their statements, too, presented Church teaching with admirable clarity.
John Allen of the National Catholic Reporter had predicted that American hierarchy would be loath to revisit the debate on Catholicism and abortion-- a debate from which most American bishops shrank during the 2004 campaign. "Perhaps the most disappointed group in America over the choice of a Roman Catholic as the partys nominee for Vice-President may well be the countrys Catholic bishops," Allen wrote.
Perhaps they would have been happier if the question had not been forced upon them. But willingly or not, in these last few days the American bishops have responded clearly and convincingly.
Source(s):
» Archbishop Chaput, Bishop Conley: On the separation of sense and state (Archdiocese of Denver)
» Archbishop Wuerl on the Churchs constant teaching (Archdiocese of Washington)
» Bishops' conferences responds to House Pelosis misrepresentations (USCCB)
» Catholic Congressmen say Pelosi remarks (h/t to American Papist)
» With Biden pick, America's bishops face a familiar headache (John Allen/National Catholic Reporter)
» Are Obama and Pelosi dodging the life-and-death question? (George Weigel/Newsweek)
I believe we can thank many of the Catholics on FR for contacting their Bishops!
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This is good to see.
Yes, very good to see. It’s taken a long time. I really do believe that since this is getting coverage from sources like Newsweek, LATimes, etc. that it has become one of the major issues.
The dims don’t want to talk about it.
McCain has talked to bishops and is challenging Obama et al on the issue of life beginning at conception. God bless him!
BTW, all those links are only from FR! Can you believe it?
Ouch! That’s gonna leave a mark.
Glad to hear that the bishops are doing their job. I know it’s not my place to say, but I think it’s time to start excommunicating a few of these unrepentent heretics.
anybody know what her bishop has to say?
Here's the info from the Catechism of the Catholic Church (since you asked.)
1: | CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2271 (618 bytes ) preview document matches 1 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2271.htm |
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2: | CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2272 (580 bytes ) preview document matches 2 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2272.htm |
96% |
3: | CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2322 (290 bytes ) preview document matches 2 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3), URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2322.htm |
96% |
4: | CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2274 (554 bytes ) preview document matches gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2274.htm |
Just curious. What percentage of US catholics are democrat? How can they reconcile the dem platform with their religion?
Thanx. Looks like they have her surrounded.
I am a pretty devout Catholic. My wife and I go to church 6 days a week. I am really furious at the Catholic heirarchy. They ignored the homosexual (not pedophilia) scandal until they get ripped and now THEY ARE ALL TALK. If they believe what they are saying EXCOMMUNICATE these people. The problem is they do not have have the courage of their convictions. Although some say they have excommunicated themselves (I’m not certain about that but it is not worth arguing about), lets demand the heirarchy stands up.
Yay!!! Thanks be to God!
Yes, I am surprised that life has come to the forefront in this election. The fact that obama is an absolute radical on abortion and pelosi’s statements have more than a few folks debating whether the dem party is who they want in charge.
How does Boston weigh in?
I’m not a numbers person, but there is a map on the Religion Forum. Forget the thread it’s on. It was actually from 2004. There were lots of threads about Bush and Catholics, so you might do a search.
You saw this, correct?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2068765/posts?page=11#11
So are you asking about excommunicating the gays who are not celibate?
My cousin actually sent me Pelosi’s statement on “Meet the Press” and I did n’t believe it; neither that Brokaw would pose such a question, nor that her response would be so over the top.
Pelosi doesn’t do this stuff by accident and she doesn’t drop out platitudes for the press. She is actually and actively instructing younger generations of Catholic voters that they are either misinformed on the Church’s teachings or that they may simply disregard the Church instruction. She is easily the most arrogant pro-abort Catholic politician. Her statements are very dangerous and misleading.
Good for Bishop Chaput. I hope the Bishops continue to take these opportunities to instruct the faithful.
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