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Menace of the growing red fleet
The Weekend Australian ^ | 23rd August 2008 | Cameron Stewart

Posted on 08/22/2008 4:15:45 PM PDT by naturalman1975

AS the gleaming Great White Fleet of the US Navy sailed into Sydney Harbour 100 years ago this week, Australia was given the first glimpse of its own strategic future.

"When the fleet entered the Pacific we remarked that the centre of gravity of sea power had changed," The Sydney Morning Herald observed. "What the future of the Pacific is to be only the future can disclose (but) it is likely enough that America may become our first line of defence against Asia." Two world wars and one Cold War later, there is still a powerful ring of truth to these prophetic words. The US Navy still rules the waves across the vast Pacific Ocean and the US fleet, in a time of crisis, would be pivotal to Australia's ability to repel a regional aggressor.

But just as the Great White Fleet symbolised the rise of American naval power, the strategic balance in the Pacific a century later is being tested by a new player.

The slow, steady rise of China as a maritime power is increasingly concentrating the minds of defence planners in Washington and Canberra as they try to gauge its significance and weigh its implications for the region. The latest and most stunning example of China's expanding naval ambitions in the Pacific is the recent confirmation of a new underground nuclear submarine base near Sanya, on Hainan Island off China's southern coast.

Western intelligence agencies have been trying to glean information about the construction of Sanya for years because the new base says much about China's ambitions to create a genuine blue water navy that can project power well beyond China's shores and throughout the Pacific.

(Excerpt) Read more at theaustralian.news.com.au ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: china

1 posted on 08/22/2008 4:15:45 PM PDT by naturalman1975
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To: naturalman1975

I “HOPE” Obammie has this covered although I doubt that he does.


2 posted on 08/22/2008 4:21:12 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (A History and Science Minute.- "Climate change" has been going on for millions of years!)
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To: naturalman1975

THE RISING SEA DRAGION IN ASIA

3 posted on 08/22/2008 4:31:28 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

Long story short, we’re screwed in the long run. Better buddy up and learn Chinese!


4 posted on 08/22/2008 4:45:20 PM PDT by villagerjoel ("Tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive." CS Lewis)
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To: naturalman1975
"Although our forces can surge when necessary to respond to crises, trust and co-operation cannot be surged," says the policy, entitled A Co-operative Strategy for 21st Century Seapower.

Sure. Look how well NATO works. To place ourselves in a position where we are dependent on our so called allies for our security is fool hardy. Of course, we don't have much choice when we are going broke and can't afford investing in necessary military assets. As long as we keep transferring our wealth to our enemies, we are headed for doom.

5 posted on 08/22/2008 5:47:12 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

He will send Jamiel O’Bonda to take care of it, Don’t worry; be happy.


6 posted on 08/22/2008 5:56:31 PM PDT by mathurine
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To: villagerjoel

Wouldn’t lose too much sleep about it. Christ is coming back a long time before the point you’re talking about.


7 posted on 08/22/2008 5:59:52 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: naturalman1975

I’d love to hear opinions on this. Is the Blue Water Navy obsolete, are we ever going to see open ocean naval battles like in World War II?

With aircraft and missile technology, I don’t think it will ever be the same. Are we ever going to see mass troop and supply movements by transport ships that are vulnerable to submarines? I don’t know about that either. Are subs the premire anti-shipping weapon, or are aircraft and missiles the state-of-the-art? Subs are a great balistic missile platform, because you can’t target them from space yet (as far as I know), but that might be where they really shine now, unlike the U-boats of WWII.


8 posted on 08/22/2008 6:41:15 PM PDT by NYFriend
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“With aircraft and missile technology, I don’t think it will ever be the same. Are we ever going to see mass troop and supply movements by transport ships that are vulnerable to submarines? I don’t know about that either. Are subs the premire anti-shipping weapon, or are aircraft and missiles the state-of-the-art? Subs are a great balistic missile platform, because you can’t target them from space yet (as far as I know), but that might be where they really shine now, unlike the U-boats of WWII.”

You bet. It is likely we are in a phase of U.S. Naval history not unlike the transition from wind and wood to steam and steel. New weaponry, new technologies, these are changing the rules in ways we still do not grasp.

Imagine ship-based over-the-horizon laser systems, small boat swarming technologies that put the Iranian joke to shame, coordinated weaponry with satellites, subs and ships, novel technologies for disabling the enemy before a shot is fired...this is just the stuff we can glean from what is published. You can only imagine the things that are being kept under wraps.

I say let the ChiComs waste blood and treasure on chasing us with blue water navies. Matching up frigate for frigate, battle group for battle group, anti-ship missile for anti-ship missile will be insufficient. Besides, winning the economic war will do a lot to render our naval strategies irrelevant.


9 posted on 08/22/2008 7:56:36 PM PDT by bioqubit
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To: Secret Agent Man

“Wouldn’t lose too much sleep about it. Christ is coming back a long time before the point you’re talking about.”

Hmmm...I’d like to know a little about this inside info you have.

Matthew 24:36-44

36”No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[a] but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.


10 posted on 08/22/2008 9:16:16 PM PDT by villagerjoel ("Tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive." CS Lewis)
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To: villagerjoel

Keep reading.

Yes we don’t know the exact hour. But God’s Word tells us that we will know the season. The bible tells us to be looking around for the signs of His coming, and that we will know by the signs.

Anyways, if you keep reading into revelation, China is going to be moving West.


11 posted on 08/22/2008 10:14:19 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: bioqubit

Over-the-horizon ship-based laser? Don’t laser beams only travel in straight lines.


12 posted on 08/23/2008 6:35:30 AM PDT by NYFriend
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